Game of Thrones (spoiler-free zone)

[keg in kc]

A few have suggested it, might as well test the waters. The idea is to give people who haven't read the books a safe place to talk about the show.

A few quick ground rules:

• No Spoilers!!!!! for upcoming episodes.
• Larger Song of Ice and Fire discussion should be limited to the other thread although I think a tiny bit of book delving to fill in holes should be okay (example of this would be talking about Catelyn and her treatment of the wolves in the novel, which was alluded to on TV but never really made clear...)
• Everything that happened that week is fair game once an episode airs. So if you don't watch on Sunday night, I'd stay outta here until you do...

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I liked Oberyn's champion speech to Tyrion.

Pretty much anything with Jaqen Hagar but particularly when Arya gives him his own name. "Un-name me!" "No" "PLEASE" Here's probably the most dangerous character we've seen on the show begging a little girl not to make him kill himself. I thought that was funny..

The Red Wedding was memorable, although I hated everything about it.

Joffrey's death. **** that douche. I'm still waiting on Cersei to get hers..

I wonder why Arya didn't immediately name Joffrey or especially Tywin. Tywin dying would have wiped out the red wedding. Almost a plot hole to me like the eagles in Lotr.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis

I wonder why Arya didn't immediately name Joffrey or especially Tywin. Tywin dying would have wiped out the red wedding. Almost a plot hole to me like the eagles in Lotr.

She wanted to but he said "death is certain, the time is not". It could have taken him months or years to take out Tywin or Joffrey. By that time, it wouldn't have mattered so much to her anyway.

I'm not saying naming Tywin, Joffrey and Jamie, etc. wouldn't have been the best choice, but..

Plus, she was like 9 years old at the time. Can't judge too harshly.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I liked Oberyn's champion speech to Tyrion.

Pretty much anything with Jaqen Hagar but particularly when Arya gives him his own name. "Un-name me!" "No" "PLEASE" Here's probably the most dangerous character we've seen on the show begging a little girl not to make him kill himself. I thought that was funny..

The Red Wedding was memorable, although I hated everything about it.

Joffrey's death. **** that douche. I'm still waiting on Cersei to get hers..

Don't think I've ever been happier over the death of a character.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis

I wonder why Arya didn't immediately name Joffrey or especially Tywin. Tywin dying would have wiped out the red wedding. Almost a plot hole to me like the eagles in Lotr.

She wanted the Tickler dead, then she was caught snooping through Tywin's things, so she had the man about to tell Tywin killed to save herself. To get out of imprisonment she had to name Jaquen to get her out. Her situation, at the time, dictated her choices more than her desires.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

She wanted the Tickler dead, then she was caught snooping through Tywin's things, so she had the man about to tell Tywin killed to save herself. To get out of imprisonment she had to name Jaquen to get her out. Her situation, at the time, dictated her choices more than her desires.

Skip the tickler and just say Tywin - unless it would have taken too long - then I understand. She was allowed 3 names right? So she named two - she has one more correct?

Favorite show of all time - this is the only thing that's bothered me - oh and all my favorite characters dying. At least we still have munch munch.

[ThaVirus]

As I remember, the Tickler was the first name she gave and seemed to be more of a trial run than anything. Remember, at the point he told her she had 3 names to give to the Red God, she had no idea he was an assassin.

Once she saw that he killed the Tickler, she started naming Tywin and Joffrey but he said he couldn't guarantee their deaths would be swift. Then she got caught snooping or whatever and needed Tywin's henchman killed immediately.

The "final" name ended up being all the guards on watch the night she escaped. "A girl lacks honor".

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Joffrey's death. **** that douche.

Just watched this episode last night, fitting that it looked like a painful way to go.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

As I remember, the Tickler was the first name she gave and seemed to be more of a trial run than anything. Remember, at the point he told her she had 3 names to give to the Red God, she had no idea he was an assassin.

Once she saw that he killed the Tickler, she started naming Tywin and Joffrey but he said he couldn't guarantee their deaths would be swift. Then she got caught snooping or whatever and needed Tywin's henchman killed immediately.

The "final" name ended up being all the guards on watch the night she escaped. "A girl lacks honor".

Yup.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Just watched this episode last night, fitting that it looked like a painful way to go.

Little ****er got oFf lightly, if you ask me.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis

I wonder why Arya didn't immediately name Joffrey or especially Tywin. Tywin dying would have wiped out the red wedding. Almost a plot hole to me like the eagles in Lotr.

In the books, it's more clear that she just wasn't up for that level of longer range, strategic thinking. She is, after all, just a kid.

Sometime later she dope slaps herself for wasting the opportunity.

[Ragged Robin]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

In the books, it's more clear that she just wasn't up for that level of longer range, strategic thinking. She is, after all, just a kid.

Sometime later she dope slaps herself for wasting the opportunity.

yep, the characters are also much, much younger than they are on the show as well

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

As I remember, the Tickler was the first name she gave and seemed to be more of a trial run than anything. Remember, at the point he told her she had 3 names to give to the Red God, she had no idea he was an assassin.

Once she saw that he killed the Tickler, she started naming Tywin and Joffrey but he said he couldn't guarantee their deaths would be swift. Then she got caught snooping or whatever and needed Tywin's henchman killed immediately.

The "final" name ended up being all the guards on watch the night she escaped. "A girl lacks honor".

Maybe I am remembering incorrectly, but wasn't the Tickler named because he was about to torture her friends?

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

Maybe I am remembering incorrectly, but wasn't the Tickler named because he was about to torture her friends?

Yep. The Baratheon bastard IIRC (who is still rowing )

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Yep. The Baratheon bastard IIRC (who is still rowing )

Christ, Gendry has made it at least to Qarth by now. Maybe even Asshai.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Yep. The Baratheon bastard IIRC (who is still rowing )

[Hawk]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

Maybe I am remembering incorrectly, but wasn't the Tickler named because he was about to torture her friends?

That's how the show was. The book was different characters than the show, and handled the Tickler's death differently:

Spoiler!

She had a mean guy that she had to work for there and who beat her regularly killed first, I forget the second, but it wasn't a Tywin henchman, and the third was Jaqen who then had to help her to avoid being named.

In the book, Arya kills the Tickler herself in an excellent scene at the Tavern when she and the Hound have to fight. Arya jumps on the Tickler and stabs him over and over again while screaming out the questions he would ask while torturing people..."Is there gold in the village!?!" It's an awesome scene. Arya is hard core.

On the show, they had her kill Polliver in that scene instead, and she kills him exactly like he killed her friend Lommy. That was cool also.