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View Poll Results: Would you rather play the older guys or look for younger players to contribute?
We need the older guys. They provide valuable leadership. 85 82.52%
We shouldn't have signed the older guys, we should find and develop younger players and let them play. 18 17.48%
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Old 05-27-2009, 09:24 AM  
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I like Herm's method better...

I would rather play with a bunch of young players and develop them than sign a bunch of old guys if we know that we are going to be bad. Most people seem to believe that the Chiefs are going to be lucky to win six games.

If that is the case, why not look for the next Brandon Carr, Mark Bradley or Mike Cox??? It's hard to find those guys if they don't get a chance to play.

Why are we wasting this valuable playing time on players like Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel, Mike Goff, and Bobby Engram??? I am sure that they will contribute and play well for the Chiefs at times.

If we were a team that were close to making a playoff run, I would welcome the addition of the older players, but the Chiefs are still developing their roster especially with the change to the 3-4.

If we are going to be bad, I would really rather see Brian Johnston play rather than Vrabel. And I would rather see Quinten Lawrence play rather than Engram.

Or are you one that believes that these older players provide valuable leadership???
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Old 05-27-2009, 01:34 PM   #61
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So you were all for dumping Gonzalez then, right?
under the right circumstances, I would have been for trading Tony. But I don't think a 2nd next year was enough.
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Old 05-27-2009, 01:35 PM   #62
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Old 05-27-2009, 01:51 PM   #63
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under the right circumstances, I would have been for trading Tony. But I don't think a 2nd next year was enough.
That is the most you are going to get for a tight end that age. Even one as good as Tony.

Anyway, I agree with signing the stop gap vets and letting them play a year and replace them with superior younger talent next year. You can't fix all the holes in one offseason. Vrabel, Thomas, Goff, and Engram aren't going to be keeping young super studs off the field.
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Old 05-27-2009, 01:52 PM   #64
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:08 PM   #65
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Herm didn't really have what you call a "method". The Chiefs were absolutely forced to go young when Herm arrived. Heck, he didn't even start the "rebuild" soon enough. Not only that, but when faced with the decision to put an old vs. young quarterback on the field, we got Humpty DumpedOnHisAss and the Amazing Nerf Ball Of Mystery.

If anything, Herm's "method" was to endlessly BS everybody until their eyes glazed over, their drool turned blue, and they started mumbling nursery rhymes. And when that stopped working, he turned to outright lies.

If he weren't such a fantastic game day coach, I'd say the guy was kind of a failure.

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Old 05-27-2009, 02:17 PM   #66
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under the right circumstances, I would have been for trading Tony. But I don't think a 2nd next year was enough.
Then you're a hypocrite. Gonzalez was old and was not going to be helping the team win in 3 years. Since the Chiefs aren't going to win this year, he needed to be gotten rid of so that the team could bring in a young player.

Your logic, not mine.
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Old 05-27-2009, 02:45 PM   #68
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:12 PM   #71
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Then you're a hypocrite. Gonzalez was old and was not going to be helping the team win in 3 years. Since the Chiefs aren't going to win this year, he needed to be gotten rid of so that the team could bring in a young player.

Your logic, not mine.
the logic behind it would be that Tony would be different than other players mentioned bc he could have such a huge effect on the QB.

Tony is in a different class than these other players and he could help the team by helping develop the QB. Developing the QB is something that could help down the road.
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:16 PM   #72
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the logic behind it would be that Tony would be different than other players mentioned bc he could have such a huge effect on the QB.

Tony is in a different class than these other players and he could help the team by helping develop the QB. Developing the QB is something that could help down the road.
JPB is right.

You are a hypocrite.
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Old 05-27-2009, 03:19 PM   #73
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JPB is right.

You are a hypocrite.
ummm... on somethings yes. on this topic. no.

If Tony could help bring Cassel along, it would help this team three years from now.

Who is Zach Thomas going to help three years from now??? give me a break.
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ummm... on somethings yes. on this topic. no.

If Tony could help bring Cassel along, it would help this team three years from now.

Who is Zach Thomas going to help three years from now??? give me a break.
He's going to help the young guys on defense transition to a new scheme and help them learn how to prepare to play in the NFL, as is Mike Vrabel.

The fact is, those guys will do more to help the young guys grow on defense than Tony would have helped Matt Cassel.

Tony is a selfish player who would have been unhappy with the fact that Cassel will be spreading the ball around.
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ummm... on somethings yes. on this topic. no.

If Tony could help bring Cassel along, it would help this team three years from now.

Who is Zach Thomas going to help three years from now??? give me a break.
Are you really going to claim that there are no young defenders on the Chiefs for guys like Thomas and Vrabel to bring along?
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