SportingNews War Room article about matchup

gh4chiefs · 10-10-2000, 01:09 AM

Interesting take on Sunday's matchup between Tyrone Wheatly and Marvcus Patton.
[url="http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/gary_horton/20001009a.html"]http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/gary_horton/20001009a.html[/url]

P.S. The Harmon Forecast has Raiders over Chiefs..heh heh

10-10-2000, 06:30 AM

Bob Dole saw the Harmon thing yesterday, but discounted it because it actually has Janikowski [i]making[/i] 2 field goals...<P>

dallaschiefsfan · 10-10-2000, 09:38 AM

Hey Ugly,
All the guys at ESPN also picked the Broncos to beat the Chiefs in Pilehigh too and that came through huge did'nt it. Have a nice loss sunday.

[This message has been edited by CHIEF1 (edited 10-10-2000).]

Romel · 10-10-2000, 11:27 AM

Hey Ugly_Duck,

Harmon has been about as good as Vegas in handicapping the Chiefs this year: they've predicted the victors in all the games but Denver. Also, the spreads from Harmon and Vegas have been pretty close to each other and, hence, about equally good at predicting the final margin of victory.

But Harmon hasn't been that good with the Raiders. Both he and Vegas are 3-2 in picking the winner (each missed the Raider's road win at Indy and Denver's road win against Oakland). But when it comes to margin of victory, Harmon has been a full TD worse, on average, than Vegas.

[This message has been edited by DanT (edited 10-10-2000).]

gh4chiefs · 10-10-2000, 12:16 PM

Yeah, but...but....Yeah, but...You guys are going to lose!

Bob Dole forgets that Kowski DID make two field goals Sunday. He just missed two as well.

10-10-2000, 12:51 PM

Bob Dole didn't forget...just conveniently left it out. (Kind of like not mentioning the Harmon Forecast Monday when Bob Dole read it.)

BIG_DADDY · 10-10-2000, 12:57 PM

I totally disagree with that 'war room' eval of Marvcus Patton. Patton is smaller and quick enough to be useful in coverage, but he's a very good tackler and stuffs the run well. Problem is, we do so much stunting and all out penetration with our D-linemen, he rarely has the opportunity to make the play unimpeded. He almost always has to fight through a guard 5 yards deep to make the play. He's done a great job stuffing the run at Buffalo, and then in Washington.

BIG_DADDY · 10-10-2000, 01:04 PM

I do think they (War Room) are dead on with how the raiders will play us. We've done a poor job stuffing the run in general and they should run up the gut at us. This game should be really tough. The Raiders D-line can really bring the heat, and Elvis wont get as much protection as he's had lately. Their CBs are pretty good too and they might make Elvis pay for some of those balls he's been forcing into tight coverage lately. On the otherhand, they have to worry about Tony G. who should have a huge game.

On the other side Gannon's ability to scramble concerns me, and unlike McNair he can hit his receivers. As far off as we've had our corners play, I expect to see lots of underneath stuff and runs up the gut. Gannon's not accurate enough with the deep ball for me to worry about that. We've got to shut down the run and force Gannon to try and beat us. He'll make some mistakes and we should get some tunronvers.

chiefsfan58 · 10-10-2000, 01:23 PM

I was just looking at pro football weekly on-line and 7 out of 7 of their staff are picking KC to win this one. [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

htismaqe · 10-10-2000, 02:28 PM

Hmmm...

It appears that we're 2 1/2 pt favorites.

Luz
vegas knows who the best team is...

10-10-2000, 06:30 AM	#2
htismaqe Guest Casino cash: $	Bob Dole saw the Harmon thing yesterday, but discounted it because it actually has Janikowski [i]making[/i] 2 field goals...<P>
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10-10-2000, 09:38 AM	#3
dallaschiefsfan Herm is the worst...horrible Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $4438850	Hey Ugly, All the guys at ESPN also picked the Broncos to beat the Chiefs in Pilehigh too and that came through huge did'nt it. Have a nice loss sunday. [This message has been edited by CHIEF1 (edited 10-10-2000).]
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10-10-2000, 11:27 AM	#4
Romel Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Hey Ugly_Duck, Harmon has been about as good as Vegas in handicapping the Chiefs this year: they've predicted the victors in all the games but Denver. Also, the spreads from Harmon and Vegas have been pretty close to each other and, hence, about equally good at predicting the final margin of victory. But Harmon hasn't been that good with the Raiders. Both he and Vegas are 3-2 in picking the winner (each missed the Raider's road win at Indy and Denver's road win against Oakland). But when it comes to margin of victory, Harmon has been a full TD worse, on average, than Vegas. [This message has been edited by DanT (edited 10-10-2000).]
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10-10-2000, 12:16 PM	#5
gh4chiefs Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Jefferson City, MO Casino cash: $2543592	Yeah, but...but....Yeah, but...You guys are going to lose! Bob Dole forgets that Kowski DID make two field goals Sunday. He just missed two as well.
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10-10-2000, 12:51 PM	#6
htismaqe Guest Casino cash: $	Bob Dole didn't forget...just conveniently left it out. (Kind of like not mentioning the Harmon Forecast Monday when Bob Dole read it.)
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10-10-2000, 01:09 AM
gh4chiefs Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Jefferson City, MO Casino cash: $2543592	Interesting take on Sunday's matchup between Tyrone Wheatly and Marvcus Patton. [url="http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/gary_horton/20001009a.html"]http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/gary_horton/20001009a.html[/url] P.S. The Harmon Forecast has Raiders over Chiefs..heh heh
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10-10-2000, 12:57 PM	#7
BIG_DADDY THE RED MENACE Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texas Casino cash: $5108410	I totally disagree with that 'war room' eval of Marvcus Patton. Patton is smaller and quick enough to be useful in coverage, but he's a very good tackler and stuffs the run well. Problem is, we do so much stunting and all out penetration with our D-linemen, he rarely has the opportunity to make the play unimpeded. He almost always has to fight through a guard 5 yards deep to make the play. He's done a great job stuffing the run at Buffalo, and then in Washington.
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10-10-2000, 01:04 PM	#8
BIG_DADDY THE RED MENACE Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texas Casino cash: $5108410	I do think they (War Room) are dead on with how the raiders will play us. We've done a poor job stuffing the run in general and they should run up the gut at us. This game should be really tough. The Raiders D-line can really bring the heat, and Elvis wont get as much protection as he's had lately. Their CBs are pretty good too and they might make Elvis pay for some of those balls he's been forcing into tight coverage lately. On the otherhand, they have to worry about Tony G. who should have a huge game. On the other side Gannon's ability to scramble concerns me, and unlike McNair he can hit his receivers. As far off as we've had our corners play, I expect to see lots of underneath stuff and runs up the gut. Gannon's not accurate enough with the deep ball for me to worry about that. We've got to shut down the run and force Gannon to try and beat us. He'll make some mistakes and we should get some tunronvers.
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10-10-2000, 01:23 PM	#9
chiefsfan58 ultimate chiefs fan Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: san francisco Casino cash: $2716421	I was just looking at pro football weekly on-line and 7 out of 7 of their staff are picking KC to win this one. [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]
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10-10-2000, 02:28 PM	#10
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	Hmmm... It appears that we're 2 1/2 pt favorites. Luz vegas knows who the best team is...
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