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Coogs · 09-03-2012, 01:26 PM

Laugh if you must, but I really think the QB we are looking for might be Brady Quinn.

I re-watched the game from last Thursday this morning. All-in-all, I felt like Quinn was very sharp... given the fact that he just started getting some time with the first string players earlier in the week.

Cassel's only pass, and Quinn's first pass were nearly the identical same play. Bowe had to go to the ground to catch Cassel's throw. Breaston caught Quinn's right were the ball should have been thrown, and turned it up-field for 3 or so more yards.

Quinn's 2nd pass was a beautifully thrown ball that hit Baldwin right in stride, and Baldwin was able to turn it up for several more yards.

The next two passes were highly criticized around here after/since the game. I did not see that much there that can not be fixed... once Quinn gets more time with the #1's to get timing issues worked out. All thorughout OTA's and Training Camp, I never recall hearing Quinn (or Stanzi) making any plays with any #1 receivers. Not even during drills.

Anyway. On the first one, as slant pass to Baldwin, it looks like just a matter of timing. They were on the same page... but just didn't connect. More reps together to develop some chemistry, and that is a TD easily.

The next play... which was an Interception that was negated by a penalty on the Packers... that had a whistle blown in the middle of the play... it appeared that Baldwin and Quinn were not on the same page. Quinn's pass appeared that he expected Baldwin to go inside instead of on the fade route that Baldwin ran. Again, more reps together to develop the right chemistry so they are reading the right thing. Baldwin cuts inside, and that is a TD. Quinn throws the fade pass, and it is also probably a TD. Not on same page. That has to be understandable given the minimal amount of time the two have had together.

Next drive was all backups. Line and skill players.

3rd and 7. Hits Bellamy right on the button for an easy first down.

3rd and 9. Hits Manari right on the numbers for another first down.

3rd and 8. QB draw type of run that would have made Elway proud right up to the non-slide that got him slightly injured.

Then the next pass that has been widely criticized around here. The Interception on the back of the endzone. Again, this was with his backups and not the starters, which gives no excuse to Quinn. BUT... he starts out looking to his left. Staying with his progression, he moves to the middle of the field. At this point, Harris is getting his ass kicked by a Packers defender causing Quinn to have to step up into the pocket, which is collapsing under the 2nd string line. A half of a second more at the most, and Manari is comming wide open on a TE drag across just a little right of where Quinn made the decision to throw. Tiny bit better pocket, and that ball goes to Manari if Quinn has the time to finish his reads and that is an easy TD.

That is all the further I watched. And that was all the further I needed to watch. I am convinced Quinn is going to be just what the doctor ordered for this team. All he needs is more time with the #1's to get on the same page with them.

I know Cassel is the starter for now. I can accept that. He is not the best QB though. And it is not even going to be close... in time.

Coogs · 09-03-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

He's on the verge of a career season.

What exactly did you see in the preseason to come up with this. I saw status quo. We run... he's OK. We ask him to pass... not so much. All four games (if you count 10 runs and 1 pass sufficient evidence for an OK ranking) bear out the cold hard facts.

O.city · 09-03-2012, 08:58 PM

In the games we asked Cassel to throw, Seattle and STL, it wasn't really him throwing that caused us to suck shit.

Baldwin fumbles, D can't get stops,

RustShack · 09-03-2012, 09:00 PM

Cassel will get hurt, and Quinn will win us a Super Bowl. Pioli finally finds his Brady.

NJChiefsFan · 09-03-2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

In the games we asked Cassel to throw, Seattle and STL, it wasn't really him throwing that caused us to suck shit.

Baldwin fumbles, D can't get stops,

He didn't throw downfield and that is the claim here of what's gonna happen.

O.city · 09-03-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

He didn't throw downfield and that is the claim here of what's gonna happen.

He didn't throw it downfield alot, but he did it more than people round here will admit.

Still yet, he hasn't ever been a good passer down the field, so probably wise not to expect that to start this season.

Chiefs Pantalones · 09-03-2012, 09:11 PM

Quinn has never been the answer. I don't know why he would be now.

NJChiefsFan · 09-03-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He didn't throw it downfield alot, but he did it more than people round here will admit.

Still yet, he hasn't ever been a good passer down the field, so probably wise not to expect that to start this season.

Exactly. His inability to go through reads and have poor accuracy downfield isn't gonna change. He has always checked down a ton yet he can't get to 60% completion percentage. A list of 15-25 yard pass comp% would reveal a pretty scary number.

O.city · 09-03-2012, 09:16 PM

He didn't really check it down, thats the way Dabolls offense is designed.

NJChiefsFan · 09-03-2012, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He didn't really check it down, thats the way Dabolls offense is designed.

Well his past yrs he did and he couldn't get to 60%. And if that's how it's designed that's one more reason it's foolish to expect us to stretch the field.

bsp4444 · 09-03-2012, 09:22 PM

Can someone post career yards per completion stats for Cassel and Quinn? Cassel will always look for the underneath crap.

O.city · 09-03-2012, 09:23 PM

Cassel has pretty much been beaten to death about not turning the ball over. You can't be afraid to cut it lose in todays NFL.

jspchief · 09-03-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He didn't really check it down, thats the way Dabolls offense is designed.

So we are going to be run heavy, which will draw defenders in, but our passing game is going to play right into that?

We have 2 1st rounders at WR. We have 2 good RBs. This offense could be deadly with a QB that could go vertical. A pick your poison scenario. Instead we're going to try to kill defenses with death by a thousand tiny cuts.

Reerun_KC · 09-03-2012, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

So we are going to be run heavy, which will draw defenders in, but our passing game is going to play right into that?

We have 2 1st rounders at WR. We have 2 good RBs. This offense could be deadly with a QB that could go vertical. A pick your poison scenario. Instead we're going to try to kill defenses with death by a thousand tiny cuts.

Yep. That's exactly what crennel and daboll will do.

jspchief · 09-03-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Yep. That's exactly what crennel and daboll will do.

Exactly what? throw to the part of the field that's already crowded with cheating safeties?

CoMoChief · 09-03-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

Quinn has never been the answer. I don't know why he would be now.

because he's someone other than Matt Cassel.

09-03-2012, 01:26 PM
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1654349	I think the QB of the future may be on our roster already. Laugh if you must, but I really think the QB we are looking for might be Brady Quinn. I re-watched the game from last Thursday this morning. All-in-all, I felt like Quinn was very sharp... given the fact that he just started getting some time with the first string players earlier in the week. Cassel's only pass, and Quinn's first pass were nearly the identical same play. Bowe had to go to the ground to catch Cassel's throw. Breaston caught Quinn's right were the ball should have been thrown, and turned it up-field for 3 or so more yards. Quinn's 2nd pass was a beautifully thrown ball that hit Baldwin right in stride, and Baldwin was able to turn it up for several more yards. The next two passes were highly criticized around here after/since the game. I did not see that much there that can not be fixed... once Quinn gets more time with the #1's to get timing issues worked out. All thorughout OTA's and Training Camp, I never recall hearing Quinn (or Stanzi) making any plays with any #1 receivers. Not even during drills. Anyway. On the first one, as slant pass to Baldwin, it looks like just a matter of timing. They were on the same page... but just didn't connect. More reps together to develop some chemistry, and that is a TD easily. The next play... which was an Interception that was negated by a penalty on the Packers... that had a whistle blown in the middle of the play... it appeared that Baldwin and Quinn were not on the same page. Quinn's pass appeared that he expected Baldwin to go inside instead of on the fade route that Baldwin ran. Again, more reps together to develop the right chemistry so they are reading the right thing. Baldwin cuts inside, and that is a TD. Quinn throws the fade pass, and it is also probably a TD. Not on same page. That has to be understandable given the minimal amount of time the two have had together. Next drive was all backups. Line and skill players. 3rd and 7. Hits Bellamy right on the button for an easy first down. 3rd and 9. Hits Manari right on the numbers for another first down. 3rd and 8. QB draw type of run that would have made Elway proud right up to the non-slide that got him slightly injured. Then the next pass that has been widely criticized around here. The Interception on the back of the endzone. Again, this was with his backups and not the starters, which gives no excuse to Quinn. BUT... he starts out looking to his left. Staying with his progression, he moves to the middle of the field. At this point, Harris is getting his ass kicked by a Packers defender causing Quinn to have to step up into the pocket, which is collapsing under the 2nd string line. A half of a second more at the most, and Manari is comming wide open on a TE drag across just a little right of where Quinn made the decision to throw. Tiny bit better pocket, and that ball goes to Manari if Quinn has the time to finish his reads and that is an easy TD. That is all the further I watched. And that was all the further I needed to watch. I am convinced Quinn is going to be just what the doctor ordered for this team. All he needs is more time with the #1's to get on the same page with them. I know Cassel is the starter for now. I can accept that. He is not the best QB though. And it is not even going to be close... in time.
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09-03-2012, 08:58 PM	#122
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2794064	He didn't really check it down, thats the way Dabolls offense is designed.
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