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Old 12-14-2017, 11:47 AM  
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Browns' John Dorsey: 'The guys that were here before, they didn't get real players'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...e_guys_th.html

"You know what? You've got to get a guy like that (Hue Jackson) players,'' Dorsey told the "Really Big Show'' with Aaron Goldhammer on WKNR 850, the home of the Browns today. "And you know what? I'll come straight out with it. The guys who were here before, that system, they didn't get real players.''

Damn, bro. Picking up Hue Jackson's tendencies to throw his own players under the bus.
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Old 12-15-2017, 12:18 PM   #91
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Evan Silva isn't a big John Dorsey fan.

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Old 12-15-2017, 12:26 PM   #92
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Denver should have went after Dorsey to run their draft board.

For all of Dorseyís warts, he is significantly better at drafting players than Elway's team.
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Old 12-15-2017, 12:50 PM   #93
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Old 12-15-2017, 03:40 PM   #94
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Old 12-15-2017, 04:08 PM   #95
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Silva's right. The new progressive analytics did all the ground work and had to suffer through all that losing and right at the end of the tunnel yet the league brings in an old school "football" guy to use all those assets that the new meta had gathered.

Where did we see this before? Oh yea, in the NBA with the Philadelphia 76ers and Sam Hinkie, and right at the end he got replaced for... you guessed it, a league guy in Colangelo to reap all the benefits.

Just once I want to see the analytics process actually go through fully, with the analytics driven team actually allowed to pick and develop the assets, and not actually getting burnt at the end of all that losing.
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Old 12-15-2017, 04:28 PM   #96
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Silva's right. The new progressive analytics did all the ground work and had to suffer through all that losing and right at the end of the tunnel yet the league brings in an old school "football" guy to use all those assets that the new meta had gathered.

Where did we see this before? Oh yea, in the NBA with the Philadelphia 76ers and Sam Hinkie, and right at the end he got replaced for... you guessed it, a league guy in Colangelo to reap all the benefits.

Just once I want to see the analytics process actually go through fully, with the analytics driven team actually allowed to pick and develop the assets, and not actually getting burnt at the end of all that losing.
I've said this before. Take a look at what Chris Grant did to the Cavs. The Browns did the same exact thing. The strategy is brilliant to a point. All the draft picks they compiled, etc... But when you do all that maneuvering and then pick Dion Waiters and Anthony Bennett, that reeks of someone trying "outclever" the competition. I love the Browns' approach... to a point. It's similar to what Jacksonville did. The big difference is that the Jaguars took swings where they needed to. They took a swing at a #1 QB because they knew they needed to, even if he wasn't a no-brainer. The Browns on the other hand had a no-brainer in Wentz and doubled down on stupid when they passed on both Watson and Mahomes.

I'm not sure what Evan Silva's complaining about. You can do all the analytics in the world. No analytics can justify why the Browns thought they could win with low round QBs when they were sitting on 3 QBs in 2 years who were sitting right in their lap. The Chiefs never got that lucky. Few teams luck into having 1 QB fall into their lap, let alone 2 or 3 in consecutive years.
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Old 12-16-2017, 02:59 AM   #97
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Dunno if this was posted yet but...

Dorsey now saying - "Anything but a division title in 2018 is unacceptable"
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...e-unacceptable
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Old 12-16-2017, 05:58 AM   #98
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I don't understand the talk about Alex Smith to Cleveland. Smith wouldn't want to go there-- he wouldn't sign an extension with Cleveland. They are drafting a QB this year and they are a total rebuild. Why would Cleveland want a pissed off Alex Smith? He moves his family to Cleveland for one year so he can tutor someone? I'm thinking Tom Condon is out trying to get a deal with a team Alex would like to lead for his last contract. I'm also thinking Condon will tell the Chiefs if they even think about trading Smith to Cleveland, Alex will retire.
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Old 12-16-2017, 07:01 AM   #99
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I can see Dorsey having tremendous success in Cleveland. IF... He hits a home run with his HC hiring.
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Old 12-16-2017, 07:40 AM   #100
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Old 12-16-2017, 08:07 AM   #101
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I don't understand the talk about Alex Smith to Cleveland. Smith wouldn't want to go there-- he wouldn't sign an extension with Cleveland. They are drafting a QB this year and they are a total rebuild. Why would Cleveland want a pissed off Alex Smith? He moves his family to Cleveland for one year so he can tutor someone? I'm thinking Tom Condon is out trying to get a deal with a team Alex would like to lead for his last contract. I'm also thinking Condon will tell the Chiefs if they even think about trading Smith to Cleveland, Alex will retire.
Absolutely... It's just the Smitty haters trying to talk trash and making themselves look like idiots in the process, as usual.
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I've said this before. Take a look at what Chris Grant did to the Cavs. The Browns did the same exact thing. The strategy is brilliant to a point. All the draft picks they compiled, etc... But when you do all that maneuvering and then pick Dion Waiters and Anthony Bennett, that reeks of someone trying "outclever" the competition. I love the Browns' approach... to a point. It's similar to what Jacksonville did. The big difference is that the Jaguars took swings where they needed to. They took a swing at a #1 QB because they knew they needed to, even if he wasn't a no-brainer. The Browns on the other hand had a no-brainer in Wentz and doubled down on stupid when they passed on both Watson and Mahomes.

I'm not sure what Evan Silva's complaining about. You can do all the analytics in the world. No analytics can justify why the Browns thought they could win with low round QBs when they were sitting on 3 QBs in 2 years who were sitting right in their lap. The Chiefs never got that lucky. Few teams luck into having 1 QB fall into their lap, let alone 2 or 3 in consecutive years.
Trading out to collect more assets instead of taking Wentz is a huge miss, but let's not act like old school football guys like Pioli and Dorsey didn't completely whiff and miss on their drafts either. It goes both ways. At least in the Browns case they still got something for their miss (more assets) instead of taking Wentz. Fat Scott and Dorsey would just flat out miss players because their egos want that small gadget player in the 2nd round or that raw developmental player with the high sparQ score in the 2nd.
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Old 12-16-2017, 08:54 AM   #103
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I don't understand the talk about Alex Smith to Cleveland. Smith wouldn't want to go there-- he wouldn't sign an extension with Cleveland. They are drafting a QB this year and they are a total rebuild. Why would Cleveland want a pissed off Alex Smith? He moves his family to Cleveland for one year so he can tutor someone? I'm thinking Tom Condon is out trying to get a deal with a team Alex would like to lead for his last contract. I'm also thinking Condon will tell the Chiefs if they even think about trading Smith to Cleveland, Alex will retire.
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Absolutely... It's just the Smitty haters trying to talk trash and making themselves look like idiots in the process, as usual.
Yes, because Alex will walk away from tens of millions of dollars out of spite.

And everyone ELSE is the idiot.
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Old 12-16-2017, 09:06 AM   #104
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I don't understand the talk about Alex Smith to Cleveland. Smith wouldn't want to go there-- he wouldn't sign an extension with Cleveland. They are drafting a QB this year and they are a total rebuild. Why would Cleveland want a pissed off Alex Smith? He moves his family to Cleveland for one year so he can tutor someone? I'm thinking Tom Condon is out trying to get a deal with a team Alex would like to lead for his last contract. I'm also thinking Condon will tell the Chiefs if they even think about trading Smith to Cleveland, Alex will retire.
Think there were stories saying his wife was worried about his concussions. I don't think she's too crazy about him sticking around too long. If so, Cleveland is a good place to go because they have tons of money to give him a front-loaded deal. Cleveland is not in total rebuild. They have plenty of talent and they have tons of cap space next year to invest in free agents to fill in any of their holes. And if Joe Thomas is healthy, that OL is better than ours (or has the cap space to make it better).
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Old 12-16-2017, 09:14 AM   #105
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Alex Smith can't even get the talent filled Chiefs to the AFCCG, but he can go take the rebuilding Browns?


He canít even win but 1 playoff game in KC yet taking the browns to the AFCCG.

Jesus people.
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