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Old 06-12-2018, 04:18 PM  
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People who overestimate their political knowledge tend to believe conspiracy theories

Posting just because I'll be amused to watch the discussion. Not that there's anyone here this would apply to.

http://www.psypost.org/2018/06/peopl...theories-51447

People who overestimate their political knowledge are more likely to believe conspiracy theories
By ERIC W. DOLAN June 11, 2018

People who overestimate their understanding of political issues are more likely to believe conspiracy theories, according to new research that appears in the European Journal for Social Psychology.

“Conspiracy theories about government actors and institutions are widespread across the political ideological spectrum,” remarked study author Joseph A. Vitriol, a postdoctoral research associate at Lehigh University. “These beliefs attribute outsized influence to hidden actors or clandestine groups who are perceived as the root cause of an important world event, action, or outcome.”

“Because conspiracy beliefs often preserve discredited assumptions or serve as a basis for dismissing information that challenges one’s worldview, they are often difficult to correct (as is true for many political misperceptions) and can therefore undermine the ability for citizens to effectively and ethically engage in the political process.”

“Indeed, these beliefs are not constrained to the politically disengaged or the uninformed. Instead, conspiracy theories are commonly endorsed and propagated by actors at the highest levels of political power and, as a result, are consequential for public policy,” Vitriol said.

“In short, conspiracy beliefs are important influences on citizens’ political judgment and behavior. This can undermine the ability of elected officials to address problems in society with evidence-based public policy and governance. By investigating the psychological underpinning of conspiracy beliefs, we are better able to understand how these beliefs form and spread. We are also better able to identify strategies for informing or educating the public and combating the influence of false and fabricated information on political psychology and behavior.”

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Old 06-12-2018, 05:18 PM   #31
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It's a conspiracy to discredit their theories!
So, I take it that you guys don't believe Hitler and his cronies didn't conspire to invade other countries and start a war? I take it that his dressing up German soldiers in Polish military uniforms to claim the Polish attacked the German's first, never happened because "Gasp!" it makes you a believer in a "conspiracy."

I supposed you don't think Lenin hadn't planned or conspired to foment a revolution in Russia to overthrow it's provisional govt after the Czar had abdicated months earlier? That was all out in the open and announced for everything to see right?

You people look just a foolish if you think otherwise. This is not a black and white matter. Only simpletons think it is.
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Old 06-12-2018, 05:19 PM   #32
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Once one conspiracy theory gets ya it's just easier to believe more and more of them. But it's not always easy to spot an individual that's just saying that the earth is flat or that the moon landing wasn't real for attention

I worked with a guy made more than just one claim that was more than questionable. But I kept asking questions because it was so entertaining. He stated that he had spent over a decade and a half trying to prove that time travel was real, was still working on it, and that the moon landing was fake. He had found proof too

But his most outrageous and the best claim that he made was that Fight Club was based on him. That he had started fight clubs all over the American Southeast. And that he had been involved in many industrial and domestic acts of terrorism. He wasn't always the easiest guy to work with as he had a few social issues and the boss did have it in for him that I could tell
It's true, but people also forget that conspiracies are real. Sometimes the government (or other institutions) DO lie or misdirect about things. A few examples:

Project Northwoods. - a government plan to blow up hotels in Miami and blame it on Cuban communists that was killed by then President Kennedy... but it got THAT far.
MK Ultra - Tested LSD on unknowing people, including non americans
Tuskegee experiment - Gave black people syphilis while telling them it was a polio vaccine.
The Catholic cover up of pederasty - Many people were called 'conspiracy kooks' in the 90's over this one... which turned out to be 100% true.
Area 51- Government claimed it never existed. So they lied. After the base was sued by workers we found out it was R&Ding new aircraft technology.

There are loads of ACTUAL conspiracies that are now true but before they were unclassified/uncovered publically they were just theories of a conspiratorial nature.

My point is be OPEN to the idea that people are dishonestly presenting an agenda while acting in another way. It happens all the time... but follow the actual evidence. Not the 'Sandy Hook used crisis actors!" level of horseshit that was easily debunked almost immediately. Be open to everything and follow the evidence.
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Old 06-12-2018, 05:22 PM   #33
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It's true, but people also forget that conspiracies are real. Sometimes the government (or other institutions) DO lie or misdirect about things.
How does lying or misdirecting necessarily make something a conspiracy?
It doesn't. It has a definition.

Sometimes govts don't want people to know certain things, true. It doesn't always mean it's covering up conspiracy though. It could just be lying or misdirecting or just don't think it would be good for the public to know...in some people's opinion. It has to involved a crime.

For instance Soros has been dumping a lot of money into AG races to help bring about his agenda. That's legal. So it's not a conspiracy, even though I despise his agenda.
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Old 06-12-2018, 05:23 PM   #34
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So, I take it that you guys don't believe Hitler and his cronies didn't conspire to invade other countries and start a war? I take it that his dressing up German soldiers in Polish military uniforms to claim the Polish attacked the German's first, never happened because "Gasp!" it makes you a believer in a "conspiracy."

I supposed you don't think Lenin hadn't planned or conspired to foment a revolution in Russia to overthrow it's provisional govt after the Czar had abdicated months earlier? That was all out in the open and announced for everything to see right?

You people look just a foolish if you think otherwise. This is not a black and white matter. Only simpletons think it is.
Read my follow up post. I was just having fun. Your defensiveness is noted.
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Old 06-12-2018, 05:26 PM   #35
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How does lying or misdirecting necessarily make something a conspiracy?
It doesn't. It has a definition.

Sometimes govts don't want people to know certain things, true. It doesn't always mean it's covering up conspiracy though. It could just be lying or misdirecting or just don't think it would be good for the public to know...in some people's opinion. It has to involved a crime.

For instance Soros has been dumping a lot of money into AG races to help bring about his agenda. That's legal. So it's not a conspiracy, even though I despise his agenda.
Ummmm... a conspiracy is a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

Government = group
lying/misleading = keeping a secret
Everything I listed as an example = Harmful or unlawful (area 51 only because of how they attempted to cover up the harm they did to the workers there)

Stop being a pedant. Soros isn't secretly funding people. Well, he PROBABLY is as well as doing it publically. He does try to hide it sometimes. I think it's pretty well known as you're constantly bitching about it. He's not secretive in his desire to destroy the concept of nation states.

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Old 06-12-2018, 05:27 PM   #36
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Is there a widely accepted mainstream media universal definition of what makes something a "conspiracy theory", because I'd love to read it.











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Old 06-12-2018, 05:33 PM   #38
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Well then that would apply to 80% of the people in America, but I doubt most of that 80% don't read many in-depth political books, but rely on TV.

I say BS. I mean it's not like the psychology profession gets much right since they even admits they can't cure anyone. They mainly categorize and list disorders.
They also study pathology of behavior, which is what I find fascinating.

While it's still a soft science, I give it more credit than most social sciences for attempting to be evidence based.

80% of sociology papers published are never cited and it's inept at controlling for confirmation bias. Which is sad, because there's a base to study if people would stop thrusting their political ideology into it and gatekeeping wrong thinkers out of teaching it.
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Old 06-12-2018, 05:34 PM   #39
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It's true, but people also forget that conspiracies are real. Sometimes the government (or other institutions) DO lie or misdirect about things. A few examples:

Project Northwoods. - a government plan to blow up hotels in Miami and blame it on Cuban communists that was killed by then President Kennedy... but it got THAT far.
MK Ultra - Tested LSD on unknowing people, including non americans
Tuskegee experiment - Gave black people syphilis while telling them it was a polio vaccine.
The Catholic cover up of pederasty - Many people were called 'conspiracy kooks' in the 90's over this one... which turned out to be 100% true.
Area 51- Government claimed it never existed. So they lied. After the base was sued by workers we found out it was R&Ding new aircraft technology.

There are loads of ACTUAL conspiracies that are now true but before they were unclassified/uncovered publically they were just theories of a conspiratorial nature.

My point is be OPEN to the idea that people are dishonestly presenting an agenda while acting in another way. It happens all the time... but follow the actual evidence. Not the 'Sandy Hook used crisis actors!" level of horseshit that was easily debunked almost immediately. Be open to everything and follow the evidence.
You're right. It's best to keep and open mind. And don't believe everything that the gov tries to say. They don't have the best interest in mind. One thing that they did have going for them was in the middle of last decade the UFO and such shows were the ones ahead of the curve when it came to coming economic disaster. But I'm not too worried about my toaster spying on me and telling the government that I said something unflattering about a senator or the governor
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Is there a widely accepted mainstream media universal definition of what makes something a "conspiracy theory", because I'd love to read it



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory


pretty decent...


'unwarranted' rube goldberg type explanation for something
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Old 06-12-2018, 05:35 PM   #41
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Is there a widely accepted mainstream media universal definition of what makes something a "conspiracy theory", because I'd love to read it.
Just the definition of the word works for me. Some avoid the definition because it doesn't fit their own agenda to mock a political opinion they don't like or disagree with. In this day and age it is rampant just like the use of the word "racism." It's a way to shut down arguments. Even to shut down attention on corruption or if there is a real conspiracy. It's designed to marginalize.
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Just the definition of the word works for me. Some avoid the definition because it doesn't fit their own agenda to mock a political opinion they don't like or disagree with. In this day and age it is rampant just like the use of the word "racism." It's a way to shut down arguments. Even to shut down attention on corruption or if there is a real conspiracy. It's designed to marginalize.
Yeah, agree. The term "conspiracy theory (or theorist)" is used to belittle a person or an argument to the point that the person doing the belittling doesn't have to step outside their comfort zone with the subject at hand and actually consider what is being said, because that would just be kooky.
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They also study pathology of behavior, which is what I find fascinating.

While it's still a soft science, I give it more credit than most social sciences for attempting to be evidence based.

80% of sociology papers published are never cited and it's inept at controlling for confirmation bias. Which is sad, because there's a base to study if people would stop thrusting their political ideology into it and gatekeeping wrong thinkers out of teaching it.
I give it some credit but not much beyond categorizing and listing disorders; some talk therapy which is often more hit and miss. Even some of those lists they compile get ridiculous, so that nearly everything is a disorder. It's really not all that evidenced based because they can't achieve consistent results. So something is off. If it they can't cure anyone which they admit, then they haven't isolated causes on an evidence basis to confirm as fact like a many physical ailments. It's still mostly opinion and has bias. It's a social science not a hard science.
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