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FBI Investigating NRA for Placing Russian Funds into Trump Campaign Coffers

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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nati...195231139.html

Just how far did Russia penetrate the American political system in 2016? Counterintelligence officials at the FBI suspect that a Russian banker might have used the National Rifle Association to fund efforts to get Donald Trump elected president, McClatchy reports this morning. The FBI has been probing the money trail of Alexander Torshin, already wanted by Spain for money laundering, and his activities with the NRA’s super-PAC:

The FBI is investigating whether a top Russian banker with ties to the Kremlin illegally funneled money to the National Rifle Association to help Donald Trump win the presidency, two sources familiar with the matter have told McClatchy.

FBI counterintelligence investigators have focused on the activities of Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of Russia’s central bank who is known for his close relationships with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and the NRA, the sources said.

Disclosure of the Torshin investigation signals a new dimension in the 18-month-old FBI probe of Russia’s interference. McClatchy reported a year ago that a multi-agency U.S. law enforcement and counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s intervention, begun even before the start of the 2016 general election campaign, initially included a focus on whether the Kremlin secretly helped fund efforts to boost Trump, but little has been said about that possibility in recent months.

However, McClatchy doesn’t actually have any evidence that Torshin sent funds to the NRA, or that the NRA had any idea of anything illegal going on:

The extent to which the FBI has evidence of money flowing from Torshin to the NRA, or of the NRA’s participation in the transfer of funds, could not be learned.

However, the NRA reported spending a record $55 million on the 2016 elections, including $30 million to support Trump – triple what the group devoted to backing Republican Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential race. Most of that was money was spent by an arm of the NRA that is not required to disclose its donors.

While it did seem curious that the NRA went all in for Trump as early as they did, Trump had wrapped up the Republican nomination by that time and was the only vehicle for stopping Hillary Clinton. It’s also not terribly surprising that they had more resources for Trump, a populist in the mold of the NRA’s membership and donors, than for Romney, who didn’t really fit either. Super-PAC donations had begun skyrocketing across the board thanks in part to favorable court rulings, making it a much easier conduit for support by major donors. And, it must be said, an easier way for foreign money to penetrate — although it was already easy enough, as the 1996 Chinese penetration of the Bill Clinton/Al Gore campaign demonstrated.

Alexander Torshin appears to have had a lot less success at this than Charlie Trie, John Huang, and James Riady had. (Check the link and count their visits to the White House, for instance.) Torshin has a lifetime membership in the NRA, McClatchy reports, and he sat next to Donald Trump Jr at one event in May 2016, but otherwise, McClatchy doesn’t provide any other links between Torshin and Trump Sr, or the NRA campaign, or any links to the Trump White House at all. That’s not quite all there is to the Torshin story, though. Torshin, a political crony of Vladimir Putin, had tried to set up a meeting between Putin and the Republican presidential nominee, the New York Times reported last month.

Another contact came through an American advocate for Christian and veterans causes, and together, the outreach shows how, as Mr. Trump closed in on the nomination, Russians were using three foundational pillars of the Republican Party — guns, veterans and Christian conservatives — to try to make contact with his unorthodox campaign.

Both efforts, made within days of each other, centered on the N.R.A.’s annual meeting and appear to involve Alexander Torshin, a deputy governor of the Russian central bank and key figure in Mr. Putin’s United Russia party, who was instructed to make contact with the campaign.

“Putin is deadly serious about building a good relationship with Mr. Trump,” the N.R.A. member and conservative activist, Paul Erickson, wrote. “He wants to extend an invitation to Mr. Trump to visit him in the Kremlin before the election. Let’s talk through what has transpired and Senator Sessions’s advice on how to proceed.”

However, the end result of Torshin’s attempts was more or less zilch:

It is not clear how Mr. Dearborn handled the outreach. He forwarded a similar proposal, made through Rick Clay, an advocate for conservative Christian causes, to Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and a top campaign aide. Mr. Kushner rebuffed the proposal at the time, according to two people who have seen Mr. Kushner’s email.

Mr. Torshin, he wrote, was planning to attend a reception being planned by Mr. Clay honoring wounded veterans that he expected Mr. Trump would also attend. Mr. Torshin expected to use the reception to “make ‘first contact’ ” with the candidate and present Mr. Trump’s wife, Melania, with a gift from the Russian Orthodox Church.

According to Mr. Clay, neither Mr. Trump nor his campaign officials attended the veterans’ dinner. The president’s son, Donald Trump Jr., and Mr. Torshin did attend a separate N.R.A. dinner that night.

Without knowing precisely what FBI counterintelligence agencies have, it’s tough to dismiss this entirely. However, the information that McClatchy’s sources leaked to them doesn’t sound like much, especially in relation to Trump or the campaign. It goes without saying that Trump and the campaign had nothing at all to do with the NRA’s operation of their political action committee, which makes this all but irrelevant to a “collusion” hypothesis.

The NRA might find the episode embarrassing, assuming there’s anything to this at all, but it has nothing to do with the Trump campaign, the RNC, or access to the president. In fact, the reporting on Torshin up to now seems to indicate that whatever money he may have spent turned out to be a waste.

That may be why McClatchy describes this as an “FBI counterintelligence” probe rather than an effort directed by Robert Mueller. From the reports at McClatchy, Bloomberg, and the NYT, Torshin appears to be a malevolent figure whose operations in the US bear close scrutiny for counterintelligence purposes — but at least for now, Torshin appears to have little to do with the election or with any hint of collusion with Trump and his team.
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Old 01-18-2018, 09:02 PM   #2
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I'm sure this made tons of people change their vote to Trump....

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However, McClatchy doesn’t actually have any evidence that Torshin sent funds to the NRA, or that the NRA had any idea of anything illegal going on:

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Old 01-18-2018, 09:05 PM   #4
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Super-PAC donations had begun skyrocketing across the board thanks in part to favorable court rulings, making it a much easier conduit for support by major donors. And, it must be said, an easier way for foreign money to penetrate — although it was already easy enough, as the 1996 Chinese penetration of the Bill Clinton/Al Gore campaign demonstrated.

Alexander Torshin appears to have had a lot less success at this than Charlie Trie, John Huang, and James Riady had. (Check the link and count their visits to the White House, for instance.) Torshin has a lifetime membership in the NRA, McClatchy reports, and he sat next to Donald Trump Jr at one event in May 2016, but otherwise, McClatchy doesn’t provide any other links between Torshin and Trump Sr, or the NRA campaign, or any links to the Trump White House at all.
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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"However, McClatchy doesn’t actually have any evidence that Torshin sent funds to the NRA, or that the NRA had any idea of anything illegal going on:"

That's from the original post. How the heck does this even get posted? Who reads something like this and says to themselves "man that sounds legitimate"?
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"However, McClatchy doesn’t actually have any evidence that Torshin sent funds to the NRA, or that the NRA had any idea of anything illegal going on:"

That's from the original post. How the heck does this even get posted? Who reads something like this and says to themselves "man that sounds legitimate"?
The lying scum media, knows lo-information voters will just buy the headline to jazz up their base so they'll vote.
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"However, McClatchy doesn’t actually have any evidence that Torshin sent funds to the NRA, or that the NRA had any idea of anything illegal going on:"

That's from the original post. How the heck does this even get posted? Who reads something like this and says to themselves "man that sounds legitimate"?
The investigation is just starting. Give them some time.
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From Rolling Stone Today:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...o-know-w515615

By Tim Dickinson

Did a shadowy Russian banker close to Vladimir Putin illegally give money to the National Rifle Association to support the presidential campaign of Donald Trump? That's the subject of an active FBI investigation, according to an explosive report by McClatchy.


How one journalist's chance interview led to a definitive account of the campaign's ties to Russia

Here's what you need to know:

Unprecedented Trump Support
The National Rifle Association spent tens of millions of dollars backing Trump's presidential bid in 2016. The NRA endorsed Trump in May 2016. And the NRA disclosed it spent at least $30 million on Trump's behalf and attacking Hillary Clinton. That level of support is unprecedented – more than twice what the NRA disclosed it spent on Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential run.

The true sum the NRA spent to install Trump in the White House may be far higher. Campaign finance disclosures do not cover spending on unregulated Internet advertising or voter mobilization; citing two sources close to the gun group, McClatchy suggests the NRA may have spent upwards of $70 million on Trump's presidential bid.

President Trump is clearly indebted: "You came through for me, and I am going to come through for you," Trump promised the NRA at its 2017 convention. "I will never, ever let you down."

Dark Money
In the age of Citizens United and unlimited campaign donations, the NRA has emerged as an important "dark money" hub in Republican politics. Under its tax code designation, the NRA is a "social welfare" organization, largely exempt from disclosing its donors. To skirt disclosure, other big-dollar political players – including a SuperPAC linked to Karl Rove and a "chamber of commerce" controlled by the Koch Brothers – have routinely steered money into the NRA, confident that the gun group's spending will advance the GOP cause.

It is illegal, however, for foreign money to be used to influence U.S. elections. According to McClatchy, the heart of the FBI investigation is whether the NRA became a conduit for Russian cash, linked to the Kremlin, that bolstered Trump.

The Banker and "Godfather"
The key figure in the NRA/Russia investigation, McClatchy reports, is Alexander Torshin. Torshin is a longtime Putin ally who previously served as a top Russian senator. He is now a deputy governor of Russia's central bank, where his purview includes cracking down on the outflow of dirty money.

That's ironic, because Torshin has been linked to money laundering. Bloomberg reported on the conclusions of a 2013 investigation by Spanish authorities, writing that "Alexander Torshin instructed members of the Moscow-based Taganskaya crime syndicate how to launder ill-gotten gains through banks and properties in Spain."

As a result of this investigation, Spain convicted a Torshin underling – who reportedly called Torshin "boss" and "godfather" in recordings – and sentenced this man to nearly four years in prison for illegal transactions totaling more than $1.8 million. Torshin himself was not charged; a Spanish official told Bloomberg that Russia won't cooperate in cases against top politicians. Toshin has denied any wrongdoing.

NRA Connections
Torshin helped establish a Russian gun group called Right to Bear Arms, whose president calls Torshin "a great gun lover." Torshin is also a life member of the NRA – and forged ties to its leadership after attending the NRA's national convention in 2013. McClatchy reports that, in 2015, Toshin hosted "a high-level NRA delegation" during a week-long Moscow trip "that included meetings with influential Russian government and business figures." An attendee describes a debauched week: "They were killing us with vodka and the best Russian food," he told McClatchy. "The trip exceeded my expectations by logarithmic levels."

Trump Connections
At the May 2016 NRA convention in Louisville, Kentucky, where Donald Trump accepted the group's endorsement, Torshin shared a table at dinner with the candidate's son Donald Jr. According to Bloomberg, Torshin claimed to also have met now-president Trump at the convention, and that: "He keeps photos of the event on his computer tablet."

The 2016 NRA convention came off just as Russians were actively seeking contact with the Trump campaign – just weeks earlier, a Russian conduit told Trump staffer George Papadopoulos that Russia had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton, including thousands of her emails. – and hoping to set up a meeting with Trump and Putin.

According to the New York Times, Torshin tried to set up a dinner meeting in Louisville at the time of the NRA convention with then-candidate Trump – with the aim of connecting Trump with Putin. The request was conveyed through a Trump ally in the Christian conservative world, who reportedly sent the campaign an email with the subject line: "Russian backdoor overture and dinner invite." (Trump did not attend that dinner.)

Separately, an NRA member, Paul Erickson – who had been part of the 2015 NRA delegation to Moscow – wrote an email titled, "Kremlin Connection," to Trump campaign adviser Rick Dearborn, according to the New York Times. Erickson reportedly told the campaign that Russia was "quietly but actively seeking a dialogue with the U.S." and would be seeking "first contact" at the NRA convention.

Weeks later, in early June 2016, the trio of Donald Trump Jr., then-campaign manager Paul Manafort, and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner took a meeting with a Putin-connected lawyer who had offered incriminating material on Hillary Clinton. Former Trump White House adviser Steve Bannon has dubbed that meeting "treasonous."

A Potential Game Changer
The allegation that Russia funneled money into the NRA – to directly support Trump's presidential bid – is staggering. Until now, we've understood the Russian support of Trump to have been oblique, delivered by a cadre of Facebook and Twitter trolls, and by the release of hacked DNC and Clinton campaign emails through Wikileaks.

The notion that the Kremlin was supporting Trump's presidential bid financially – and through an organization that holds itself up as a paragon of American patriotism – is almost unreal.

If the allegation bears out, it raises unsettling questions:

How much money did Torshin deliver?

Did the NRA understand that this money was coming from Moscow?

Did the Trump campaign?

Did Russian funds only support Trump – or did the money infiltrate the NRA's broader mission of electing Republicans? (In total, the NRA spent nearly $52 million in the 2016 general election on dozens of House and Senate races.)

Does Russian influence have anything to do with the fascistic turn in NRA messaging?

The NRA did not return a call seeking comment from Rolling Stone.
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This whole thing reads like a liberal *** dream.

I mean, I'd love for it to be true, but I'll wait for the indictments to be handed down first.
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This is an interesting fake news story that is probably as fake as the last hundred fake news stories that have come out.
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