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**Buck** · 07:21 PM

It's here!

**gblowfish** · 03-08-2013, 02:24 PM

KK is such a douche.
"What if KSU wins and KU loses tomorrow?" The world will stop spinning for KU fans...."
Poke the bear with a stick, radio boy....

Pablo · 03-08-2013, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KCWolfman

And still just as many titles as KU.

Congratulations I guess.

Mr. Plow · 03-08-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Congratulations I guess.

Indiana has been bad so long they've forgotten how to be a blue blood.

KC_Connection · 03-08-2013, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

I expect KCC to come along with some KenPom conference ratings in this thread to show us what's up over the last decade too.

The conference ranks of the B12 and B10 by the average AdjO and AdjD of their teams:

B10: .8465
B12: .8360

I'm sorry to say, but the B10 has been the slightly better basketball conference over the last 10 years according to this measure.

Of course, it is a complete fallacy to say that the B12 has been bad or that there haven't been any other NC threats other than KU.

Just last year, MU was one of the best teams in the NCAA and Baylor made the E8. In 2010, both Baylor and KSU were among the best teams in the NCAA (ranked 6 and 7 in KenPom and both made the E8). In 2009, Blake Griffin pushed an OU team to the E8. And in 2008, Texas was a top 10 team that also went to the E8. Before that, Kevin Durant had Texas as one of the better teams in the country as well.

**Buehler445** · 03-08-2013, 06:34 PM

WSU/Missouri State is on FSMW and is pretty decent. If anyone cares.

KC_Connection · 03-08-2013, 07:01 PM

Got curious and did the KP averages for 11 conferences over the last 10 years:

ACC: .8528
BE: .8467
B10: .8465
B12: .8360
SEC: .8147
P10: .7932
MWC: .7234
MVC: .6833
A10: .6463
CUSA: .6364
WCC: .5580

The ACC comes out slightly on top since 2004, but it's very close between the top four there. Also keep in mind that this takes into account every team (even the awful bottom feeders...Tech and TCU are really holding the B12 back this year for example).

**Buehler445** · 03-08-2013, 07:46 PM

LOL Holtus and whatever scrub they pulled up to do the color for the WSU Missouri State game talked about what a good matchup WSU and KU would be if they met in the NCAA tournament.

L-O-L

Their entire gameplan is chuck up a bad shot and let Carl Hall rebound and score. Withey would destroy his soul. He's gotten like 4 shots blocked by a 6'8 guy. Ron Baker is shooting the ball well, but that's all the offense there is. Ron Baker's 3's and Carl Hall's rebounding.

I would LOVE to get that matchup in the tournament.

Naturally, some scrub would probably splash 8 3's out of nowhere and magically Withey would get a bunch of fouls, but I'm still confident KU would destroy them if they play with any intensity at all.

Pablo · 03-09-2013, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The conference ranks of the B12 and B10 by the average AdjO and AdjD of their teams:

B10: .8465
B12: .8360

I'm sorry to say, but the B10 has been the slightly better basketball conference over the last 10 years according to this measure.

Of course, it is a complete fallacy to say that the B12 has been bad or that there haven't been any other NC threats other than KU.

Just last year, MU was one of the best teams in the NCAA and Baylor made the E8. In 2010, both Baylor and KSU were among the best teams in the NCAA (ranked 6 and 7 in KenPom and both made the E8). In 2009, Blake Griffin pushed an OU team to the E8. And in 2008, Texas was a top 10 team that also went to the E8. Before that, Kevin Durant had Texas as one of the better teams in the country as well.

I can live with that. I just knew the Big 12 was and will continue to be a pretty good basketball conference. Yes, Kansas is the class, but there are still plenty of respectable programs.

**DaKCMan AP** · 03-09-2013, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Got curious and did the KP averages for 11 conferences over the last 10 years:

ACC: .8528
BE: .8467
B10: .8465
B12: .8360
SEC: .8147
P10: .7932
MWC: .7234
MVC: .6833
A10: .6463
CUSA: .6364
WCC: .5580

The ACC comes out slightly on top since 2004, but it's very close between the top four there. Also keep in mind that this takes into account every team (even the awful bottom feeders...Tech and TCU are really holding the B12 back this year for example).

That's nice, but championships over the past 10 years:
SEC: 3
BE: 3
ACC: 3
B12: 1
B10: 0
P10: 0
MWC: 0
MVC: 0
A10: 0
CUSA: 0
WCC: 0

Pablo · 03-09-2013, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

That's nice, but championships over the past 10 years:
SEC: 3
BE: 3
ACC: 3
B12: 1
B10: 0
P10: 0
MWC: 0
MVC: 0
A10: 0
CUSA: 0
WCC: 0

O R U HEAR TO TALK ABOUT FLORIDA???

WilliamTheIrish · 03-09-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KCWolfman

I agree, he may have even had Villeneuva follow him instead of going to UConn, but I don't think he would have had the success he does with KU. There is an obvious HUGE advantage in recruiting there over any other school in the Big 12.

Bill Self recruited great players at Tulsa. Then he recruited greater players Illinois. I have little doubt he absolutely would have pulled MU into greatness. The guy can recruit like a MF'er. And he can coach a little bit too.

Pablo · 03-09-2013, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamInnerCircle

Bill Self recruited great players at Tulsa. Then he recruited greater players Illinois. I have little doubt he absolutely would have pulled MU into greatness. The guy can recruit like a MF'er. And he can coach a little bit too.

Yep. Not to say KU doesn't have recruiting advantages for its history but 17-18 year olds aren't typically wrapped up in the nostalgia of a program. They're interested in what a coach and program can do for them. I doubt EJ gave a shit about the proud history of KU basketball before he got here. He DID care about what Bill Self was able to sell him on.

For that reason I'm sure if MU would have snagged Self they'd probably be sitting pretty damn well. I'm almost positive they'd have a FF appearance at a bare minimum. The state of Missouri has had some premier basketball talent in the last decade.

Pablo · 03-09-2013, 11:13 AM

Orange v. Georgetown on ESPN. Hope this one features some sort of scoring; not looking promising so far.

Just a shitload of turnovers and bad shots. Only five minutes in, there is time for improvement.

Pablo · 03-09-2013, 11:15 AM

Ahh, Florida at UK is on CBS. Maybe this will be interesting.

UK up 11-2 early. I'm conflicted here. I'd like it if both teams could lose. I guess I'll just hope Florida picks it up and I get to watch a shoot out.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-09-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

That's nice, but championships over the past 10 years:
SEC: 3
BE: 3
ACC: 3
B12: 1
B10: 0
P10: 0
MWC: 0
MVC: 0
A10: 0
CUSA: 0
WCC: 0

Exactly. The Bevo has underachieved when it's counted for decades.

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03-08-2013, 07:01 PM	#1026
KC_Connection Perpetual Mediocrity Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $5462783	Got curious and did the KP averages for 11 conferences over the last 10 years: ACC: .8528 BE: .8467 B10: .8465 B12: .8360 SEC: .8147 P10: .7932 MWC: .7234 MVC: .6833 A10: .6463 CUSA: .6364 WCC: .5580 The ACC comes out slightly on top since 2004, but it's very close between the top four there. Also keep in mind that this takes into account every team (even the awful bottom feeders...Tech and TCU are really holding the B12 back this year for example).
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03-08-2013, 07:46 PM	#1027
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $2404734	LOL Holtus and whatever scrub they pulled up to do the color for the WSU Missouri State game talked about what a good matchup WSU and KU would be if they met in the NCAA tournament. L-O-L Their entire gameplan is chuck up a bad shot and let Carl Hall rebound and score. Withey would destroy his soul. He's gotten like 4 shots blocked by a 6'8 guy. Ron Baker is shooting the ball well, but that's all the offense there is. Ron Baker's 3's and Carl Hall's rebounding. I would LOVE to get that matchup in the tournament. Naturally, some scrub would probably splash 8 3's out of nowhere and magically Withey would get a bunch of fouls, but I'm still confident KU would destroy them if they play with any intensity at all.
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03-09-2013, 11:13 AM	#1033
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $2109356	Orange v. Georgetown on ESPN. Hope this one features some sort of scoring; not looking promising so far. Just a shitload of turnovers and bad shots. Only five minutes in, there is time for improvement.
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03-09-2013, 11:15 AM	#1034
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $2109356	Ahh, Florida at UK is on CBS. Maybe this will be interesting. UK up 11-2 early. I'm conflicted here. I'd like it if both teams could lose. I guess I'll just hope Florida picks it up and I get to watch a shoot out.
Posts: 40,202