****The official NEW new conference realignment thread.****

[Saul Good]

the second thread has been pronounced dead.

[HolyHandgernade]

Originally Posted by tredadda

UT and OU have options. They can go to practically any conference they want. The rest of the Big XII? Not so much.

Alabama and Florida have options. Michigan and Ohio St have options. USC and Notre Dame have options. Any major football program has options, all you're implying is that they are more likely to use them, without really any shred of evidence to indicate it. You just like to say it, because it help you justify your decision.

Just let it go, man. You, as you repeatedly say, are in the conference you want to be in. Be in that conference, you really don't have to speculate on ours any longer. Be free of it.

Texas is exactly where they want to be. Texas already has gobs of money, there is a point of diminishing returns. Texas wants to be in a region where it can play OU and a lot of Texas schools. That is what Texas wants. I know you don't believe it, but Texas is actually very happy where they are, I know, I converse with quite a few of their alumni.

OU was a bit discontent, but now they are very happy. I doubt you actually frequent Big 12 boards, but the general mood there is actually quite positive. I know that's difficult for you and the Aggies to believe, but once you two announced your final intentions and we invited our new members, there's actually quite the feeling of camaraderie I hadn't experienced since we invited the four SWC schools to join.

So, if you really have to keep repeating the same old diatribe, without a shred of anything to back it up, in the faint glimmering hope the B12 (which you were once a founding member of) is going to go "poof" and justify every irrational fear you directed towards big bad Texas as well as the mountain of various manners to say "I told you so" to your envy to the west, then I guess that is the Hell you have decided to call home.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

I have 12 posts in the Mizzou Football thread. Saul Good has 366 posts in the KU Football thread.

Maybe you need to whistle louder.

I will take your word for it since I don't ever go to the KU football thread as I care nothing about KU football.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Some of you guys have some serious inferiority complex issues when it comes to Texas.

Inferiority....not really. More infuriated. You can't tell me Texas hasn't pretty much run this conference like the rest of the teams were poor relatives. They lived in the big house, and let the rest of the conference live in double-wides.

And let's not act like it was the first time they pretty much toyed with a conference. Depending on who you talk to, the death of the Soutwestern Conference was just as much Texas' doing as anyone else. I won't pretend to act like I was interested or even know the mechanics of how that old conference fell apart, but a few fingers pointed at them.

Honestly...I hope everyone else in the conference does well...improves and has a stable few years.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

Alabama and Florida have options. Michigan and Ohio St have options. USC and Notre Dame have options. Any major football program has options, al you're implying is that they are more likely to use them, without really any shred of evidence to indicate it. You just like to say it, because it help you justify your decision.

Just let it go, man. You, as you repeatedly say, are in the conference you want to be in. Be in that conference, you really don't have to speculate on our any longer. Be free of it.

Texas is exactly where they want to be. Texas already has gobs of money, there is a point of diminishing returns. Texas wants to be in a region where it can play OU and a lot of Texas schools. That is what Texas wants. I know you don't believe it, nut Texas is actually very happy where they are, I know, I converse with quite a few of their alumni.

OU was a bit discontent, but now they are very happy. I doubt you actually frequent Big 12 boards, but the general mood there is actually quite positive. I know that's difficult for you and the Aggies to believe, but once you too announced your final intentions and we invited our new members, there's actually quite the feeling of camaraderie I hadn't experienced since we invited the four SWC schools to join.

So, if you really have to keep repeating the same old diatribe, without a shred of anything to back it up, in the faint glimmering hope the B12 (which you were once a founding member of) is going to go "poof" and justify every irrational fear you directed towards big bad Texas as well as the mountain of various manners to say "I told you so" to your envy to the west, then I guess that is the Hell you have decided to call home.

The venom being spewed by both MU and A&M fans now that they are gone is making the progress the Big 12 is showing now a bit unsurprising.

Almost to the point where one wishes they would have left sooner.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by tredadda

I will take your word for it since I don't ever go to the KU football thread as I care nothing about KU football.

Good, glad we got that out of the way.

[HolyHandgernade]

Originally Posted by PGM

That's already been proven false by the games at Arrowhead.

All that proved is that fans don't want to see a team that had clearly went into the tank. I'm sure if the roles were reversed, MU would have had the exact same numbers they did at that game.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

Alabama and Florida have options. Michigan and Ohio St have options. USC and Notre Dame have options. Any major football program has options, all you're implying is that they are more likely to use them, without really any shred of evidence to indicate it. You just like to say it, because it help you justify your decision.

Just let it go, man. You, as you repeatedly say, are in the conference you want to be in. Be in that conference, you really don't have to speculate on ours any longer. Be free of it.

Texas is exactly where they want to be. Texas already has gobs of money, there is a point of diminishing returns. Texas wants to be in a region where it can play OU and a lot of Texas schools. That is what Texas wants. I know you don't believe it, but Texas is actually very happy where they are, I know, I converse with quite a few of their alumni.

OU was a bit discontent, but now they are very happy. I doubt you actually frequent Big 12 boards, but the general mood there is actually quite positive. I know that's difficult for you and the Aggies to believe, but once you two announced your final intentions and we invited our new members, there's actually quite the feeling of camaraderie I hadn't experienced since we invited the four SWC schools to join.

So, if you really have to keep repeating the same old diatribe, without a shred of anything to back it up, in the faint glimmering hope the B12 (which you were once a founding member of) is going to go "poof" and justify every irrational fear you directed towards big bad Texas as well as the mountain of various manners to say "I told you so" to your envy to the west, then I guess that is the Hell you have decided to call home.

1. ND is my primary team, so I know full well all about their options. They can go to pretty much any conference that they want (although the Pac-12 might be an issue). They choose to stay independent and are powerful enough that they were included in the playoff talks with conference commissioners.

2. UT unlike the aforementioned schools that I highlighted has flirted not once, but twice with the Pac-12. IN THE LAST TWO YEARS mind you. Kinda odd for a school that is supposedly "exactly where they want to be".

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

Alabama and Florida have options. Michigan and Ohio St have options. USC and Notre Dame have options. Any major football program has options, all you're implying is that they are more likely to use them, without really any shred of evidence to indicate it. You just like to say it, because it help you justify your decision.

Just let it go, man. You, as you repeatedly say, are in the conference you want to be in. Be in that conference, you really don't have to speculate on ours any longer. Be free of it.

Texas is exactly where they want to be. Texas already has gobs of money, there is a point of diminishing returns. Texas wants to be in a region where it can play OU and a lot of Texas schools. That is what Texas wants. I know you don't believe it, but Texas is actually very happy where they are, I know, I converse with quite a few of their alumni.

OU was a bit discontent, but now they are very happy. I doubt you actually frequent Big 12 boards, but the general mood there is actually quite positive. I know that's difficult for you and the Aggies to believe, but once you two announced your final intentions and we invited our new members, there's actually quite the feeling of camaraderie I hadn't experienced since we invited the four SWC schools to join.

So, if you really have to keep repeating the same old diatribe, without a shred of anything to back it up, in the faint glimmering hope the B12 (which you were once a founding member of) is going to go "poof" and justify every irrational fear you directed towards big bad Texas as well as the mountain of various manners to say "I told you so" to your envy to the west, then I guess that is the Hell you have decided to call home.

I'll be your huckleberry here.....you lessen your case by using the examples of Florida, Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, USC or to even that extent ND. All but ND are in very stable conferences and haven't been hinting about looking into another conference. UT and OU were very public about that....so your comparison has no foundation.

Why would Texas want to leave a conference they control? Well, only if it could make more money like they could have with a move to the Pac-10. When they had to drop the LHN to become a member, and balked, the Pac-10 said "no thanks". I'll give UT their due...when that fell thru they went to Plan B and rebuilt the Big 12.....

You got WVU because they were spurned by another conference. I'm sure they will display that "camraderie" you want because truthfully they were left with few options. You did get a good replacement in TCU, but beyond Football they won't really contribute that much.

As I said before...I am glad you guys will survive. It will bring about continued stablility in College Football for the time being. Until the inevitable scramble for the chairs that will be set up for the 4 SuperConferences....

[HolyHandgernade]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Except the SEC has no penalty for leaving and the Big XII had to sign a 13 year GOR to ensure no one leaves.

The SEC is a conference that has been around for decades, with relationships forged with much more than TV contract money. The B12 was put together with TV contracts in mind. Used to be that prenuptial agreements weren't necessary either until women started exploring their rights.

Have you ever thought that no GoR means that they feel the core group of schools is fully invested in one another, and any late comers just aren't much skin off their back whether they come or go? That would be you, the "little skin off their back".

The B!G also signs over their GoR, do they do it to ensure no one leaves as well? No, they do it for many of the same reasons we do it, in the face of conference uncertainty, networks are looking for more assurances that things won't go haywire once it is in effect. The GoR is more for their security than ours. That's not to say its not that as well, but you argument is simplistic.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

The venom being spewed by both MU and A&M fans now that they are gone is making the progress the Big 12 is showing now a bit unsurprising.

Almost to the point where one wishes they would have left sooner.

...seriously, your really believe that? My gawd you are delusional

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by tredadda

But where do they live? The fact of the matter is, news and events out of KC is constantly pro Mizzou, which is odd considering how much of a KU city it supposedly is.

That's all well and good. But your repeated theme was "How much did KU get"? From the group that exists only to donate to Missouri.

I mean, come on. That's kinda funny.

[HolyHandgernade]

Originally Posted by tredadda

1. ND is my primary team, so I know full well all about their options. They can go to pretty much any conference that they want (although the Pac-12 might be an issue). They choose to stay independent and are powerful enough that they were included in the playoff talks with conference commissioners.

2. UT unlike the aforementioned schools that I highlighted has flirted not once, but twice with the Pac-12. IN THE LAST TWO YEARS mind you. Kinda odd for a school that is supposedly "exactly where they want to be".

Really? Those schools have flirted? I must have missed all that drama!

There's always a period of unrest when unique situations arrive. There are many reasons the B12 was ripe for plucking, the two most obvious was that they had quality schools/teams and they are in the middle of the country. So, they were close to every other suitor.

But, as far as I can tell, UT and OU didn't go, unlike some other schools I could mention. The unrest was created by other schools, and they looked out for their own interest. Its a bit revisionist to suggest otherwise.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

The SEC is a conference that has been around for decades, with relationships forged with much more than TV contract money. The B12 was put together with TV contracts in mind. Used to be that prenuptial agreements weren't necessary either until women started exploring their rights.

Have you ever thought that no GoR means that they feel the core group of schools is fully invested in one another, and any late comers just aren't much skin off their back whether they come or go? That would be you, the "little skin off their back".

The B!G also signs over their GoR, do they do it to ensure no one leaves as well? No, they do it for many of the same reasons we do it, in the face of conference uncertainty, networks are looking for more assurances that things won't go haywire once it is in effect. The GoR is more for their security than ours. That's not to say its not that as well, but you argument is simplistic.

And the Big 12 of which 3/4ths of the members had been in a conference for 60+ years doesn't fit your definition of "around for decades with relationships forged with much more than TV money"? Wasn't KU/MU one of the biggest and oldest rivalries in college sports? How about OU/NU? Damn, you are Wickedson easy.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

Really? Those schools have flirted? I must have missed all that drama!

There's always a period of unrest when unique situations arrive. There are many reasons the B12 was ripe for plucking, the two most obvious was that they had quality schools/teams and they are in the middle of the country. So, they were close to every other suitor.

But, as far as I can tell, UT and OU didn't go, unlike some other schools I could mention. The unrest was created by other schools, and they looked out for their own interest. Its a bit revisionist to suggest otherwise.

Reread my post. I guess I should have used simpler English. I will make note of that next time I respond to you. UT did not go because of the LHN, which no one wanted and they refused to drop.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

I have 12 posts in the Mizzou Football thread. Saul Good has 366 posts in the KU Football thread.

Maybe you need to whistle louder.

Holding the rest of us responsible for what Saul does is like blaming regular KU fans for your stupidity.

I also have zero posts in the KU football thread. And I wouldn't go to Kansas to take a shit, much less live there.