Football Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one - Page 15

Deberg_1990 · 02-19-2013, 07:53 AM

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You'd probably have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one. That's the year Peyton Manning eschewed the prospect of going to the Jets first overall to play for Bill Parcells and returned for his senior year at Tennessee. One quarterback (shaky Jim Druckenmiller, 26th) picked in round one. Two backs (Warrick Dunn 12th and Antowain Smith 23rd) in round one, and four receivers in the first: Ike Hilliard seventh, Yatil Green 15th, Reidel Anthony 16th and Rae Carruth 27th. Yikes! What a horrible draft for point-producers. One star, Dunn, out of seven first-rounders.

That could repeat this year. It's likely Alabama's Eddie Lacy will be the only running back taken in round one. Tennessee's Cordarrelle Patterson leads the muddled pack at wide receiver, but how sure can you really be of junior-college transfers who play one year of major-college football, which is Patterson's profile?

The quarterbacks are a total mish-mosh at this point. One GM interested in acquiring a quarterback this offseason told me over the weekend, "I expect more attention on the quarterbacks throwing this year than on any other single thing at the Combine.'' Some think Geno Smith of West Virginia will go first overall to quarterback-needy Kansas City; one personnel man who studied all the top quarterbacks for a team in need of one last fall told me, "There's not one quarterback, including Smith, I would take in the first round."

Two points about that. If you need a quarterback, you can talk brave in February, but when reality sets in around draft day, and you haven't picked up a quarterback in free agency, all of a sudden the zits on Smith, Matt Barkley and other others don't seem as bad. And we're nine and a half weeks from round one. There's no way that Andy Reid and John Dorsey, the coach and GM for Kansas City, know what they're doing now. They need time to investigate and to watch tape on the eight or 10 quarterbacks.

But in some ways, 2013 should be a catchup year for the other positions. Opening day 2013 could feature 12 starting quarterbacks drafted in 2011 and '12; that's far, far above the norm in a game that values veteran arms at the position.

Now for a couple of notes about players at the Combine.

Alec Ogletree. The underclass inside linebacker from Georgia would be a clear top-10 pick with a clean resume. But he was suspended the first four games of last season for failing an offseason drug test, and then came the news Saturday night, via ProFootballTalk.com, that Ogletree recently was pinched for driving while intoxicated.

Ogletree and agent Pat Dye were smart to come out and beat the police blotter to the punch. As for the damage done by the arrest, Ogletree, who is a speed demon for an inside player, the kind of player who, if right, would be a perfect fit as a rare three-down inside linebacker for any team, has to convince teams they shouldn't be worried about a player who has tested positive, been suspended, and gotten a DWI in the span of about nine months.

Some GM is going to stake his reputation on Ogletree in the first round, most likely. Which GM? It would have to be a secure one. Green Bay's Ted Thompson or de facto GM Bill Belichick of the Patriots or Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome, all down near the bottom of the round.

Manti Te'o. The Notre Dame linebacker has spent a lot of time practicing football and practicing what he's going to say to teams. His last game, against Alabama, was a nightmare (he was awful, and overpowered), and then the whole fake girlfriend story came up, making him a national story and, in some quarters, a national joke. It won't matter much how he works out in Indianapolis. What will matter are the 15-minute interviews he'll have in formal evening sessions with teams, and in less formal settings, seeing coaches and personnel people at the stadium and around his hotel.

No men have more on the line, off the field, at the Scouting Combine than Ogletree and Te'o.

Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides:

1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see.

2. Cornerback Xavier Rhodes, Florida State. A 6-2 cornerback in a league demanding cover guys who can play on islands more and more? Scouts want to see if Rhodes, who is a heady player with good bump skills at the line of scrimmage, has the speed to stay with fast wideouts. If so, he'll be a top-half-of-the-first-round player.

3. Running back Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina. After his devastating dislocated knee and torn knee ligaments in October, Lattimore, considered a certain first-rounder before the injury, is still in recovery mode. His surgeon, James Andrews, told Lattimore recently that he's going to shock the world. "I hear he's working out great,'' said Mayock. Lattimore believes he'll be healthy enough to start the 2013 NFL season. Is he's a fourth-round minefield pick? Or might some team desperate for a back go for him a round earlier -- or even late in the second round?

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htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Get it while it's HOT

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htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 09:39 PM

OK, who the **** is Jose Gumbs?

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O.city · 02-19-2013, 09:39 PM

htis, did you get my PM?

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

htis, did you get my PM?

When?

Send it again.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-19-2013, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I will probably take a few years off if they don't draft one this year.

No, you won't.

O.city · 02-19-2013, 10:18 PM

Dane, finished reading that book you recommended, thanks.

Any other recs?

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-19-2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I know you and I differ on this but the reason I care about how we acquire the QB is because I believe it is a factor on whether or not we can win in the first place.

I have always believe that the only way to consistently win Super Bowls is through the draft. And it's not just QB's, it's stockpiling CB's, DE's, LB's, WR's, etc. Perimeter guys that make a true difference in the game.

But at this point in time, if the Chiefs can acquire a QB that is ready to lead this team to the playoffs for the next 3-4 years consistently, I don't care how he's acquired.

This teams has so many pieces in place that IF they can acquire an accurate passer and leader on offense, this team can make some noise. Maybe, just maybe, some serious noise.

So as I've stated before, if it's Foles or Smith or Flynn or G. Smith or someone else, I'm in. This team is ready.

Especially on defense.

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I have always believe that the only way to consistently win Super Bowls is through the draft. And it's not just QB's, it's stockpiling CB's, DE's, LB's, WR's, etc. Perimeter guys that make a true difference in the game.

But at this point in time, if the Chiefs can acquire a QB that is ready to lead this team to the playoffs for the next 3-4 years consistently, I don't care how he's acquired.

This teams has so many pieces in place that IF they can acquire an accurate passer and leader on offense, this team can make some noise. Maybe, just maybe, some serious noise.

So as I've stated before, if it's Foles or Smith or Flynn or G. Smith or someone else, I'm in. This team is ready.

Especially on defense.

That's just the thing. Foles is as much an unknown as any of the QBs in this draft. Flynn isn't even worth discussing. And Alex Smith's history doesn't necessarily scream "serious noise".

The 1995 team was "ready", especially on defense. This sounds EXACTLY like that. And we already know how that ended. In both 1995 AND 1997.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-19-2013, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's just the thing. Foles is as much an unknown as any of the QBs in this draft. Flynn isn't even worth discussing. And Alex Smith's history doesn't necessarily scream "serious noise".

The 1995 team was "ready", especially on defense. This sounds EXACTLY like that. And we already know how that ended. In both 1995 AND 1997.

Foles is unknown to you, not the head coach.

This defense is as championship ready as half the playoff contenders in 2012, if not more.

This team is ready to strike. All they need the right QB to lead them.

**BossChief** · 02-19-2013, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's just the thing. Foles is as much an unknown as any of the QBs in this draft. Flynn isn't even worth discussing. And Alex Smith's history doesn't necessarily scream "serious noise".

The 1995 team was "ready", especially on defense. This sounds EXACTLY like that. And we already know how that ended. In both 1995 AND 1997.

Andy Reid knows quite a bit about Foles and Dorsey knows quite a bit about Flynn.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-19-2013, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HotCarl

You can't really argue that this is the weakest QB class in a long time. The only reason these QBs will go in the first is that the league is so QB-centric now.

yep, its good that the league is no longer drafting or thinking like Carl Peterson. It's even better that the Chiefs will soon be joining them. Pioli accomplished one thing: no more Carl. And the Lord looked, and saw that it was good.
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-19-2013, 11:54 PM

Its about compromise, not previous knowledge. Im sick of compromising. All this franchise DOES is compromise. It's time to stop taking it in the ass, and start GIVING IT. No more ****ing excuses.
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**HemiEd** · 02-20-2013, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, you won't.

yeah, you are probably right.

**HemiEd** · 02-20-2013, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Andy Reid knows quite a bit about Foles and Dorsey knows quite a bit about Flynn.

Rinse and repeat. Pioli knew a lot about Cassel.

Sorry, just been burned to many times, I am going to live in Missouri soon so they are going to have to show me.

HotCarl · 02-20-2013, 06:08 AM

Foles was a third round pick, but where would he be in this draft?

02-19-2013, 07:53 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3944454	Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl.../?sct=uk_wr_a1 You'd probably have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one. That's the year Peyton Manning eschewed the prospect of going to the Jets first overall to play for Bill Parcells and returned for his senior year at Tennessee. One quarterback (shaky Jim Druckenmiller, 26th) picked in round one. Two backs (Warrick Dunn 12th and Antowain Smith 23rd) in round one, and four receivers in the first: Ike Hilliard seventh, Yatil Green 15th, Reidel Anthony 16th and Rae Carruth 27th. Yikes! What a horrible draft for point-producers. One star, Dunn, out of seven first-rounders. That could repeat this year. It's likely Alabama's Eddie Lacy will be the only running back taken in round one. Tennessee's Cordarrelle Patterson leads the muddled pack at wide receiver, but how sure can you really be of junior-college transfers who play one year of major-college football, which is Patterson's profile? The quarterbacks are a total mish-mosh at this point. One GM interested in acquiring a quarterback this offseason told me over the weekend, "I expect more attention on the quarterbacks throwing this year than on any other single thing at the Combine.'' Some think Geno Smith of West Virginia will go first overall to quarterback-needy Kansas City; one personnel man who studied all the top quarterbacks for a team in need of one last fall told me, "There's not one quarterback, including Smith, I would take in the first round." Two points about that. If you need a quarterback, you can talk brave in February, but when reality sets in around draft day, and you haven't picked up a quarterback in free agency, all of a sudden the zits on Smith, Matt Barkley and other others don't seem as bad. And we're nine and a half weeks from round one. There's no way that Andy Reid and John Dorsey, the coach and GM for Kansas City, know what they're doing now. They need time to investigate and to watch tape on the eight or 10 quarterbacks. But in some ways, 2013 should be a catchup year for the other positions. Opening day 2013 could feature 12 starting quarterbacks drafted in 2011 and '12; that's far, far above the norm in a game that values veteran arms at the position. Now for a couple of notes about players at the Combine. Alec Ogletree. The underclass inside linebacker from Georgia would be a clear top-10 pick with a clean resume. But he was suspended the first four games of last season for failing an offseason drug test, and then came the news Saturday night, via ProFootballTalk.com, that Ogletree recently was pinched for driving while intoxicated. Ogletree and agent Pat Dye were smart to come out and beat the police blotter to the punch. As for the damage done by the arrest, Ogletree, who is a speed demon for an inside player, the kind of player who, if right, would be a perfect fit as a rare three-down inside linebacker for any team, has to convince teams they shouldn't be worried about a player who has tested positive, been suspended, and gotten a DWI in the span of about nine months. Some GM is going to stake his reputation on Ogletree in the first round, most likely. Which GM? It would have to be a secure one. Green Bay's Ted Thompson or de facto GM Bill Belichick of the Patriots or Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome, all down near the bottom of the round. Manti Te'o. The Notre Dame linebacker has spent a lot of time practicing football and practicing what he's going to say to teams. His last game, against Alabama, was a nightmare (he was awful, and overpowered), and then the whole fake girlfriend story came up, making him a national story and, in some quarters, a national joke. It won't matter much how he works out in Indianapolis. What will matter are the 15-minute interviews he'll have in formal evening sessions with teams, and in less formal settings, seeing coaches and personnel people at the stadium and around his hotel. No men have more on the line, off the field, at the Scouting Combine than Ogletree and Te'o. Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides: 1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see. 2. Cornerback Xavier Rhodes, Florida State. A 6-2 cornerback in a league demanding cover guys who can play on islands more and more? Scouts want to see if Rhodes, who is a heady player with good bump skills at the line of scrimmage, has the speed to stay with fast wideouts. If so, he'll be a top-half-of-the-first-round player. 3. Running back Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina. After his devastating dislocated knee and torn knee ligaments in October, Lattimore, considered a certain first-rounder before the injury, is still in recovery mode. His surgeon, James Andrews, told Lattimore recently that he's going to shock the world. "I hear he's working out great,'' said Mayock. Lattimore believes he'll be healthy enough to start the 2013 NFL season. Is he's a fourth-round minefield pick? Or might some team desperate for a back go for him a round earlier -- or even late in the second round? Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2LLwcLLId
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