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Old 11-03-2008, 04:53 AM  
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Obama in SF: My policies will bankrupt new coal plants

Senator Obama in SF, California in January 2008:
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Let me sort of describe my overall policy.
What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.
I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.
That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.
The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.
It’s just that it will bankrupt them.




Greenism is the new paganism. Global Warming is it's prophecy of doom. Obama is willing to operationalize this theory at the expense of the Coal industry - which supplies 50% of the nation's electricity generation. In an Obama administration, the Coal Miner's Daughter might be proud but she'll be outta luck and her daddy could be out of work.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:54 AM   #31
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Do away with the way we produce 50% of our power...freaking lunacy
He would not know that, the facts are not part of his decision making.

He doesn't have enough enough experience to have any idea what he is talking about.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:09 PM   #32
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He would not know that, the facts are not part of his decision making.

He doesn't have enough enough experience to have any idea what he is talking about.
Liberals/Socialists don't care if your bills run you to the poorhouse. It makes you more dependent on the government which to them is the best possible outcome.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:12 PM   #33
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In case anyone hasn't figured out.....the dem's plan for changing this country's energy policies to match what Al Gore wants is to run the cost of current energy up so high the public is brainwashed into thinking they should give it up.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:13 PM   #34
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Maybe they want to see Joe the Plumber go tits up too.
You mean Joe the Liar who is going to benefit more under Obama's tax plan than under McCain's?
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:14 PM   #35
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This thread brought out just about all the retarded players of DC, congrats.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:15 PM   #36
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This thread brought out just about all the retarded players of DC, congrats.
Typical response from the usual crowd...
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:21 PM   #37
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You mean Joe the Liar who is going to benefit more under Obama's tax plan than under McCain's?
did you miss the part where he says he wants to become a small business owner?
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:23 PM   #38
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did you miss the part where he says he wants to become a small business owner?
You have to remember, to Liberals, business owners are PIGS.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:23 PM   #39
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Drudge tried to push this story on Saturday and it went no where because the clip and what he said was taken out of context
Forget it. You are wasting your time with people who still believe that Rumseld knows exactly where the WMDs are hidden.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:23 PM   #40
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did you miss the part where he says he wants to become a small business owner?
You mean where he said he was a plumber and was going to buy the business he works for and blah blah blah. All of which was untrue.

None of that excuses the fact that he is too stupid to realize that he is currently better off under Obama's plan than under McCain's. And would probably have the opportunity to buy that business sooner under Obama's plan than he would under McCain's.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:24 PM   #41
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Hmm. This thread has turned out to be about something completely different than what I thought. Please disregard my previous posts.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:26 PM   #42
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Forget it. You are wasting your time with people who still believe that Rumseld knows exactly where the WMDs are hidden.
They're hidden in Cheneys ass!
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:27 PM   #43
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You have to remember, to Liberals, business owners are PIGS.
That's not true. This statement is typical of how most righties will refuse to argue on any level that doesn't keep the argument oversimplified. It's not a good vs. evil, black and white world. When you view the world that way you are too susceptible to propoganda and ideological indoctrination.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:32 PM   #44
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You mean where he said he was a plumber and was going to buy the business he works for and blah blah blah. All of which was untrue.
He said he wants to run a small business. That alone means that he should be afraid.

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None of that excuses the fact that he is too stupid to realize that he is currently better off under Obama's plan than under McCain's.
Granting it for the sake of argument, he wasn't asking about today. he was asking Obama why he would cut him off at the knees simply for being an entrepreneur

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And would probably have the opportunity to buy that business sooner under Obama's plan than he would under McCain's.
for the sake of argument, assuming Obama showers riches on him like you say, it doesn't matter if he buys it and is crushed under the weight of taxes. the point is not the initial investment but the business being able to survive under the weight of exorbitant small-business stifling taxes
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:43 PM   #45
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Really, the economy is in recession, times are tough - but all these people wouldn't be hurt if they lost their jobs?
In the long term, no.
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