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Old 11-03-2008, 04:53 AM  
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Obama in SF: My policies will bankrupt new coal plants

Senator Obama in SF, California in January 2008:
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Let me sort of describe my overall policy.
What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.
I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.
That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.
The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.
It’s just that it will bankrupt them.




Greenism is the new paganism. Global Warming is it's prophecy of doom. Obama is willing to operationalize this theory at the expense of the Coal industry - which supplies 50% of the nation's electricity generation. In an Obama administration, the Coal Miner's Daughter might be proud but she'll be outta luck and her daddy could be out of work.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:13 PM   #61
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A job that isn't flipping burgers at McDonalds or greeting customers at Wal-Mart for minimum wage.

And you continue to spout unsubstantiated ideological talking points instead of accurately depicting the root problems of our current economic crisis, which are trickle down class warfare, deregulation, and corporate welfare. All of which have been championed by your side of the aisle for thirty years.

So where are the results? Wages have been depressed. Jobs have been lost. Pensions have been stolen. Access to health care and education is being suppressed. And the gap between the rich and everyone else continues to grow. Where are the results?
What if you have too good of a paying job ?
What amount of money is good, but then what amount is too much ?
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:14 PM   #62
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Hey meat head, did you see Penchief screwed up the spelling of propaganda ? What bunk did you crawl out from under ?
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:15 PM   #63
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What if you have too good of a paying job ?
What amount of money is good, but then what amount is too much ?
You didn't answer my questions. Where are the results of your superior economic ideology? Why has it always yielded the opposite results of what is promised? Why does trickle down class warfare always destroy the economy?
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:53 PM   #64
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Oh here we go again right......all liberals are lazy non productive people with no jobs right?
i wouldn't call that an answer to his question
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:39 PM   #65
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Oh here we go again right......all liberals are lazy non productive people with no jobs right?
I am not asking all, just you. You cast the first stone.

Do you have a job?

Liking the prospect of shit for free are we?
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:42 PM   #66
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A job that isn't flipping burgers at McDonalds or greeting customers at Wal-Mart for minimum wage.

And you continue to spout unsubstantiated ideological talking points instead of accurately depicting the root problems of our current economic crisis, which are trickle down class warfare, deregulation, and corporate welfare. All of which have been championed by your side of the aisle for thirty years.

So where are the results? Wages have been depressed. Jobs have been lost. Pensions have been stolen. Access to health care and education is being suppressed. And the gap between the rich and everyone else continues to grow. Where are the results?
mcdonalds and burger king is a start.
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Old 11-03-2008, 05:15 PM   #67
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I am not asking all, just you. You cast the first stone.

Do you have a job?

Liking the prospect of shit for free are we?
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OBAMA: You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because Im capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.



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Old 11-03-2008, 06:40 PM   #69
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Hmm. This thread has turned out to be about something completely different than what I thought. Please disregard my previous posts.

You can blame the Kos kids in college. Their parents are obviously pissing away thousands of dollars thinking that their children are learning anything.
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:45 PM   #70
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Holy sh*t!!! MCCAIN WANTS TO BANKRUPT COAL PLANTS!! SUPER ARMAGEDDON x INFINITY!!!111

Protecting Our Environment And Addressing Climate Change: A Sound Energy Strategy Must Include A Solid Environmental Foundation

John McCain Proposes A Cap-And-Trade System That Would Set Limits On Greenhouse Gas Emissions While Encouraging The Development Of Low-Cost Compliance Options. A climate cap-and-trade mechanism would set a limit on greenhouse gas emissions and allow entities to buy and sell rights to emit, similar to the successful acid rain trading program of the early 1990s. The key feature of this mechanism is that it allows the market to decide and encourage the lowest-cost compliance options.

How Does A Cap-And-Trade System Work? A cap-and-trade system harnesses human ingenuity in the pursuit of alternatives to carbon-based fuels. Market participants are allotted total permits equal to the cap on greenhouse gas emissions. If they can invent, improve, or acquire a way to reduce their emissions, they can sell their extra permits for cash. The profit motive will coordinate the efforts of venture capitalists, corporate planners, entrepreneurs, and environmentalists on the common motive of reducing emissions.

Greenhouse Gas Emission Targets And Timetables:

2012: Return Emissions To 2005 Levels (18 Percent Above 1990 Levels)
2020: Return Emissions To 1990 Levels (15 Percent Below 2005 Levels)
2030: 22 Percent Below 1990 Levels (34 Percent Below 2005 Levels)
2050: 60 Percent Below 1990 Levels (66 Percent Below 2005 Levels)

The Cap-And-Trade System Would Allow For The Gradual Reduction Of Emissions. The cap-and-trade system would encompass electric power, transportation fuels, commercial business, and industrial business - sectors responsible for just under 90 percent of all emissions. Small businesses would be exempt. Initially, participants would be allowed to either make their own GHG reductions or purchase "offsets" - financial instruments representing a reduction, avoidance, or sequestration of greenhouse gas emissions practiced by other activities, such as agriculture - to cover 100 percent of their required reductions. Offsets would only be available through a program dedicated to ensure that all offset GHG emission reductions are real, measured and verifiable. The fraction of GHG emission reductions permitted via offsets would decline over time.

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/...f1468e96f4.htm
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:46 PM   #71
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How much will your tax's go up when the BUSH TAX CUTS GO AWAY IN 2010 ?
I guess it just wouldn't be Cheef Henry's sig unless there were at least 1 spelling or grammatical error.
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In my opinion, if we want to get clean energy, nuclear power is the answer. France, for instance, gets 75% of its electricity from nuclear power, and is the largest net exporter of electricity in the world, from which it receives around 3 billion euros per year. Unfortunately, it seems as if our current political climate does not allow for a huge increase in the amount of nuclear power plants.
B.O. is against Nuclear energy.
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I'm sorry, but coal companies going under aren't going to hurt the people in PA, except for the owners that run those companies. Those people (a good amount of them foreign companies) have been making money off the work of the coal miners for a hell of a long time. The Unions don't help. The Unions aren't doing much at all. The Unions are broken there. Those people have been grounded with the idea that they are nothing without the black dust and cheap wages that have been with their families for over a century. Don't tell me the Republicans are now starting to worry about them.
I think you are way off...


Coal official calls Obama comments 'unbelievable'
11/2/2008 4:37 PM
By Chris Dickerson -Statehouse Bureau

CHARLESTON - At least one state coal industry leader said he was shocked by comments Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama made earlier this year concerning his plan to aggressively charge polluters for carbon and greenhouse gas emissions.

"What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else's out there," Obama said in a Jan. 17 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle that was made public today first on the Web site newsbusters.org, which calls itself "the leader in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias." The story later was linked on The Drudge Report.

An audio excerpt from the interview can be found at YouTube.

"I was the first to call for a 100 percent auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter," Obama continued. "That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."

Calls and e-mails to West Virginia Obama campaign officials seeking comment for this story were not returned as of Sunday evening.

According to the West Virginia Office of Miners' Health, Safety and Training, the coal industry provides about 40,000 direct jobs in the state, including those for miners, mine contractors, coal preparation plant employees and mine supply company workers.

West Virginia is the second largest coal-producing state in the country behind Wyoming and accounts for about 15 percent of all coal production in the United States. The Mountain State leads the nation in underground coal production and leads the nation in coal exports with over 50 million tons shipped to 23 countries. West Virginia accounts for about half of U.S. coal exports.

In addition, the coal industry pays about $70 million in property taxes in the state annually, and the Coal Severance Tax adds about $214 million into West Virginia's economy. The coal industry payroll in the state is nearly $2 billion per year, and coal is responsible for more than $3.5 billion annually in the gross state product.

"The only thing I've said with respect to coal, I haven't been some coal booster," Obama said in the San Francisco Chronicle interview. "What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as an ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it."

The senior vice president of the West Virginia Coal Association called Obama's comments "unbelievable."

"His comments are unfortunate," Chris Hamilton said Sunday, "and really reflect a very uninformed voice and perspective to coal specifically and energy generally."

Hamilton noted other times Obama and vice presidential candidate Joe Biden have made seemingly anti-coal statements.

"In Ohio recently, when Joe Biden said 'not here' about building coal-fired power plants -- this is exactly what will happen," Hamilton said. "Financing won't be directed here. It will all go aboard for plants elsewhere in the world. The United Sates is importing more coal today from Indonesia, South Africa and Colombia than we ever have.

"If we're going to create a situation where coal-fired power plants are at that much of a disadvantage, there will be new ones built. But as Biden said, just not here."

Republican presidential candidate John McCain's state director said Obama's statements are troubling, especially for West Virginians.

"I think this clearly shows the attitude the Obama-Biden ticket has toward coal," Ben Beakes said Sunday. "Rhetoric is cheap, but behind closed doors what they tell their supporters - that's what we have to take as gospel.

"They're definitely not friends of coal."

Beakes noted other examples of Obama and Biden making seemingly anti-coal statements, such as in February when Obama said he'd like to tax "dirty energy" such as coal and natural gas.

"And their cohorts in Congress make similar statements," Beakes said. "(Senate Majority Leader) Harry Reid (D-Nevada) said this summer that 'coal makes us sick.'

"This is an attitude and view that, to me, shows their hatred of coal. And therefore, their view would cost West Virginians thousands upon thousands of jobs."
Beakes touted McCain's view toward coal.

"John McCain has embraced coal," Beakes said. "He doesn't agree with everything in the coal industry, but his view of coal is positive. He will make it part of his energy policy. He's met with leaders in the coal industry and let them know that. He's sought advice from coal industry leaders.

"McCain understands that coal supports about 49 percent of our electricity in this country. He'll continue to make coal important. He wants to reduce our foreign dependency on oil."

Hamilton also said the Obama campaign needs to find varied sources for coal and energy advice.

"If they're victorious Tuesday, they'd better go to someone other than Al Gore on energy and environmental matters," he said. "They've tipped the balance way -- unnecessarily so -- toward protecting the environment."
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B.O. is against Nuclear energy.
Incorrect.
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"His comments are unfortunate," Chris Hamilton said Sunday, "and really reflect a very uninformed voice and perspective to coal specifically and energy generally."

You can say that about all of B.O.'s policies. The guy is an over-educated shithead.
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