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Old 01-03-2008, 10:23 PM  
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Nothing to be ashamed of...

Regardless of what the peanut gallery will say, Ron Paul supporters have nothing to be ashamed of here. We have over 10,000 supporters in a state that we knew would be hard for us. We won the battle for independant voters within the party. We obliterated the national front runner with the high profile name. We proved that we belong on the debate stage.

We have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:15 AM   #31
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Like you'd expect a Chiefs loss to be. Plenty of people melting down. Plenty of people trying to put things in a positive perspective.

I have always thought Iowa would be one of our hardest states, but was optimistic that we could place third. I didn't expect Fred Thompson to do so well. McCain's little push this last week also caught me off guard.

It is what it is. We didn't get what we had hoped for out of Iowa, but there's plenty to be positive about. Finishing in double digits percentage-wise is actually a big deal.

Most people would have guessed that it was Rudy finishing with 10% and Ron Paul finishing with 3%.
I can't help but wonder about the actual campaign. Not Dr. Paul or his supporters but the actual campaign. What the hell are those people doing with all that money? I am not in the know nearly as much as anyone else but as someone following Obama and Paul's campaign closely while keeping up on politics that there are all kinds of better and more organized way from the campaign end to get communication, information, and connect with the candidate.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:21 AM   #32
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Although not as great as i expected I will support RP until the end. I knew Iowa would be a tough nut to crack. New Hampshire will be vital, I expect a STRONG finish there, and will be greatly disappointed if he doesn't pull a strong 3rd.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:21 AM   #33
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Seems a lot of people are complaining about organization, that the national campaign didn't spend enough money there even though they raised a lot. One guy said he became a county chairman in Iowa two weeks ago... lots of complaining about lack of organization. But mostly it just seems like true believers who can't understand why people voted for other candidates.
Probably. I will say that the people posting on those forums have generally poured themselves into the campaign. Just as Chiefs fans are armchair GMs, coaches, and QBs, these people often believe they could do better than Ron Paul's campaign staff, and often try.

To their credit they are very well educated about every aspect of the campaign, and in many cases have picked it up and carried it to the next level with little or no help from Ron Paul's staff.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:22 AM   #34
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I can't help but wonder about the actual campaign. Not Dr. Paul or his supporters but the actual campaign. What the hell are those people doing with all that money? I am not in the know nearly as much as anyone else but as someone following Obama and Paul's campaign closely while keeping up on politics that there are all kinds of better and more organized way from the campaign end to get communication, information, and connect with the candidate.
I know/have known some people in this area that have worked on campaigns for national office. Some as sort of consultants on it. They get hired by campaigns to go out and run the operation, planning events, buying media, all that stuff. Sometimes just developing ads. They get paid very well and have a high success rate. Election professionals are professionals and are very good at what they do.

My guess is that the official Paul camp doesn't have a lot of (or any) people who are experienced at running campaigns, so there's probably a lot of money sitting around and nobody has any idea how to spend it. A lot of work is being done freelance, but I would like to see how much of that money the campaign has actually spent in the last two weeks or in Q4.

If you look at the other campaigns, they were probably identifying county level leadership a year plus ago, opened offices all over the state months ago, they have pros helping with all the accounting aspects and coordinating distribution of shwag and everything else. They're intricate operations.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:24 AM   #35
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Most people would have guessed that it was Rudy finishing with 10% and Ron Paul finishing with 3%.
Most people who weren't paying attention. Rudy was in fucking New Hampshire today. Don't act like finishing ahead of him is some kind of accomplishment.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:25 AM   #36
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Most people who weren't paying attention. Rudy was in fucking New Hampshire today. Don't act like finishing ahead of him is some kind of accomplishment.
Well considering Rudy was the supposed frontrunner a little over a month ago, i'm shocked!
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:25 AM   #37
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.... was optimistic that we could place third. I didn't expect Fred Thompson to do so well. McCain's little push this last week also caught me off guard.

It is what it is. We didn't get what we had hoped for out of Iowa....
Indeed. Paul did well though.

What will be interesting is if, and when the first of Romney/McCain/Thompson eventually drops out of the race....to whom will those votes go. Because, whoever that is....will be the candidate to derail Huckabee. If the three of them hang on too long, Huckabee will win by default.

Romney would seem to have the advantage in the next week or two; but if he plummets as a result of the Iowa dissappointment.....McCain or Thompson, possibly both.....will benefit. Then Huckabee will meet his real competition.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:27 AM   #38
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Most people who weren't paying attention. Rudy was in fucking New Hampshire today. Don't act like finishing ahead of him is some kind of accomplishment.
I don't care where Rudy was tonight, 3% is pathetic. And it's not like he has any significant lead in other states, either. You are right that beating Rudy is no real accomplishment. To me that's just a statement about the pathetic position of his campaign.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:28 AM   #39
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Well considering Rudy was the supposed frontrunner a little over a month ago, i'm shocked!
He has been in steady decline in Iowa for a very long time. It's a bit surprising to see him down at 3, but 6 or 7 wouldn't have been surprising at all.

I think any of us, including myself would have predicted he would beat Rudy.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:30 AM   #40
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Most people who weren't paying attention. Rudy was in fucking New Hampshire today. Don't act like finishing ahead of him is some kind of accomplishment.


It definitely was.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:42 AM   #41
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It definitely was.
No it wasn't. Your expectation was to place 3rd. You've lowered it to turning out more voters than a guy who quit caring about Iowa a while ago and wasn't even in the friggin' state for the caucus. The fact you see that as an accomplishment says plenty about the state of your second-tier campaign.
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Old 01-04-2008, 01:44 AM   #42
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Susan Estrich and Greta van Sustran had some nice things to say about Paul and how he's not irrelevant, he did a good job tonight, and has a dedicated group (which we know about here at chiefsplanet).

Well, hey. He's a good guy. I'm glad I voted for him, met/talked to him twice even, and glad I voted for him in the straw poll. And I don't mind buying this Ron Paul hat in the summer.

His foreign policy message I believe very strongly in. I believe that's the most important issue to me, and therefore, I support him because of that, vote based on principle, and that's all I ever want to do.
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Not really... he came in within a point or two of where polling showed he was at in Iowa.
The only Ron Paul supporters who caucus are those who have landlines.
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Although not as great as i expected I will support RP until the end. I knew Iowa would be a tough nut to crack. New Hampshire will be vital, I expect a STRONG finish there, and will be greatly disappointed if he doesn't pull a strong 3rd.
If Ron Paul can't win outright in the "Live Free or Die" state, how can anyone have hope that he'll win the nomination?
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Old 01-04-2008, 07:41 AM   #45
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If Ron Paul can't win outright in the "Live Free or Die" state, how can anyone have hope that he'll win the nomination?
It is all about the message ma man, the Message!
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