Surtain to Arizona? - Page 2

VonneMarie · 04-19-2005, 05:40 PM

Good grief. King just said on ESPN that the Cards are the new favorite to trade for Surtain.

I didn't catch it all. Anyone catch it?

Logical · 04-19-2005, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

If I'm the Chiefs, the only way I give up my 2nd rounder for Surtain is if we can't get Rogers at #15. If Rogers is there, I take him and then get an LB in the 2nd.

Booyah, a chance to pick up the next Mitchell. Yeah baby.

HolmeZz · 04-19-2005, 06:10 PM

Eventhough I don't WANT to even have to think about this, we BETTER sign Law if Surtain falls through. I'll take the risk.

shaneo69 · 04-19-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon

Yeah man. Why waste a 2nd rounder on one of the top five CBs when we can get a guy that has a 1 in 10 chance to be a quality starter? In addition, we know that first round CBs are ALWAYS quality starters there first year. I mean how often do rookies take a couple years to adjust to the NFL? It just doesn't make Chief sense to waste a 2nd round pick on some goofy bastard named Surtain.

Sounds like a philosophical difference. I'd rather have Carlos Rogers and his rookie contract, and my 2nd rounder to boot, than a cap headache with degenerative knees.

**CosmicPal** · 04-19-2005, 06:16 PM

Miami is only trying to shake things up and get KC to counter-offer now.

**Mr. Kotter** · 04-19-2005, 06:17 PM

Could be just posturing....but it wouldn't surprise me a bit, if CP and the gang found a way to screw this up.

beer bacon · 04-19-2005, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaneo69

Sounds like a philosophical difference. I'd rather have Carlos Rogers and his rookie contract, and my 2nd rounder to boot, than a cap headache with degenerative knees.

I would rather have a real chance at the Super Bowl then another pointless season.

crossbow · 04-19-2005, 06:20 PM

You would think we could get used to this abuse after 16 years of it.

Logical · 04-19-2005, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaneo69

Sounds like a philosophical difference. I'd rather have Carlos Rogers and his rookie contract, and my 2nd rounder to boot, than a cap headache with degenerative knees.

I would rather have both Carlos Rogers and Surtain, than a 2nd rounder.

shaneo69 · 04-19-2005, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer bacon

I would rather have a real chance at the Super Bowl then another pointless season.

You're right. Surtain all but assures us of a Super Bowl.

What would you do about our gaping hole at LB?

beer bacon · 04-19-2005, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaneo69

You're right. Surtain all but assures us of a Super Bowl.

What would you do about our gaping hole at LB?

Did I say anything about Surtain assuring us of a Super Bowl? I seem to remember posting "a real chance at a Super Bowl"." Did I post something else? I don't think I did. If you could address my post instead of just making up an argument our conversation might be more constructive.

Did I say anything about not needing more LBs? I have been advocate of signing/drafting more LBs this whole off season.

I don't really see what any of this has to do with our discussion. I think it is pretty evident that Surtain gives us much better chance of making it to the Super Bowl then a 2nd round pick does. I also don't see how you can possibly argue against this. Maybe if we had a history of getting very good players out of the 2nd round, but our history tells us the opposite. We consistantly draft busts in the second round.

If I have the choice between getting an ice cream cone or getting kicked in the nuts, with a very slight chance, lets say a 1/8th chance, or two times in sixteen years, of getting some ice cream that is worse then the former ice cream cone, but still tasty, then I should choose the former. It is not that difficult of a decision.

crossbow · 04-19-2005, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaneo69

You're right. Surtain all but assures us of a Super Bowl.

What would you do about our gaping hole at LB?

I like your posts. They are logical and well thought out but you forgot one important factor in all of this...The Chiefs are gonna be the ones who actualy pick the player during the draft. If we were following a team with a competant scouting staff then yeah, we could be losing a chance to get a good player at that draft spot. However, this IS the Chiefs we are talking about so we should assume that the pick will get waisted. Might as well trade it for a real player instead of using it on a guy that will get cut in two years anyway.

Chiefnj · 04-19-2005, 06:53 PM

Arizona needs a corner and had a lot of extra cap space earlier in free agency. They could pull it off if their owner is willing to pay up.

shaneo69 · 04-19-2005, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer bacon

Did I say anything about Surtain assuring us of a Super Bowl? I seem to remember posting "a real chance at a Super Bowl"." Did I post something else? I don't think I did. If you could address my post instead of just making up an argument our conversation might be more constructive.

Did I say anything about not needing more LBs? I have been advocate of signing/drafting more LBs this whole off season.

I don't really see what any of this has to do with our discussion. I think it is pretty evident that Surtain gives us much better chance of making it to the Super Bowl then a 2nd round pick does. I also don't see how you can possibly argue against this. Maybe if we had a history of getting very good players out of the 2nd round, but our history tells us the opposite. We consistantly draft busts in the second round.

If I have the choice between getting an ice cream cone or getting kicked in the nuts, with a very slight chance, lets say a 1/8th chance, or two times in sixteen years, of getting some ice cream that is worse then the former ice cream cone, but still tasty, then I should choose the former. It is not that difficult of a decision.

I didn't realize that I had your picture in my avatar.

1st paragraph: I think C. Rogers gives us as good of a chance as Surtain to get to the Super Bowl. We have a lot of other holes to fill though. Hopefully that addresses your post adequately.

2nd paragraph: You have been an advocate of signing/drafting more LB's this whole offseason? Yeah, no sh*t. Most everyone here wanted Hartwell, but we didn't sign him. Life goes on. So now what? Just because you wanted to sign FA LB's doesn't solve the problem. You want to draft a LB at #15? Who? My question stands since you didn't answer it.....how are we going to fill the gaping hole at LB after we trade for Surtain?

3rd paragraph: I don't care about our 2nd round drafting history. This is a new year. We could get Michael Boley or Barret Ruud in the 2nd round this year after taking Rogers in the 1st round. I'd rather have Rogers and Boley than Surtain('s contract) and whatever 1st rounder you'd realistically be able to get.

4th paragraph: You see trading our 2nd rounder for Surtain as a slam dunk easy decision. I see a $10-$12 mil signing bonus and a 2nd rounder for a guy with no upside and degenerative knees. Like I said before.....it's a philosophical difference.

You're the one who made a sarcastic response to my original post. If you think Rogers and Boley would lead to a pointless season, I'm fine with that. I was just giving my opinion. Like my post said, "If I was the Chiefs...."

Wile_E_Coyote · 04-19-2005, 06:58 PM

I wonder if Peterson is talking with Gruden about Barber...best for the Chiefs to have options too

HolmeZz · 04-19-2005, 07:00 PM

Ronde Barber would be as effective as McCleon in Gunther's scheme. He's a cover 2 corner.

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VonneMarie Don't look over here Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10008987	Surtain to Arizona? Good grief. King just said on ESPN that the Cards are the new favorite to trade for Surtain. I didn't catch it all. Anyone catch it?
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HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	Eventhough I don't WANT to even have to think about this, we BETTER sign Law if Surtain falls through. I'll take the risk.
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CosmicPal Learn it. Know it. Live it. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Casino cash: $10004900	Miami is only trying to shake things up and get KC to counter-offer now. __________________ - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - Four blessings upon my fellow planeteers: Older whiskey, younger women, faster horses, and more money.
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Mr. Kotter The Dude Abides Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Dakota Country Casino cash: $5965285	Could be just posturing....but it wouldn't surprise me a bit, if CP and the gang found a way to screw this up. __________________ "I've always said I worry about legacy and winning rings more than making money at this moment...We see what's going on around the league, but at the same time, I'll never do anything that's going to hurt us from keeping the great players around me.”
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Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I wonder if Peterson is talking with Gruden about Barber...best for the Chiefs to have options too
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HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	Ronde Barber would be as effective as McCleon in Gunther's scheme. He's a cover 2 corner.
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