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Old 12-09-2019, 01:20 AM  
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***** The Official "Bashaud Breeland doesn't suck" thread*****

Just thought Breeland should get some kudos for his performance tonight.

His INT in the first half resulted in Kelce's rushing TD (1st by a TE in the NFL this season), and his swat of TB12's pass was the dagger in the Patriots' evil heart to end the game.

Great job, Breeland. Keep up the good work . . .
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Old 12-09-2019, 11:54 AM   #31
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Mathieu brought it up to someone on Twitter, but the slant isn't Breelands job there. I believe he passed it off.

Well if Mathieu says so then thatís fine.

It was tough to tell without knowing the call because someone ****ed up. Ragland was trailing that man while Edelman ran underneath.
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Old 12-09-2019, 11:55 AM   #32
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Oh, I think he's a little better than average.

You'll notice though, they got after him a lot more than they do Ward. That's a nice sign of respect to Ward.
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Old 12-09-2019, 12:10 PM   #33
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Old 12-09-2019, 12:18 PM   #34
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Mathieu brought it up to someone on Twitter, but the slant isn't Breelands job there. I believe he passed it off.
If not Breeland, someone definitely messed their assignment up on that play

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Old 12-09-2019, 03:18 PM   #35
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If not Breeland, someone definitely messed their assignment up on that play

Sure looks like Ragland. And if Ragland was really in man on the TE there, then it looks like Hitchens has just hit the back of his 'drop' and is starting to come downfield to blast anyone on the cross (though he's late) and he reads Brady's eyes so he starts to bail.

Hard to really be positive at all, but it looks like MAYBE Hitchens took a false step to stick with the inside slot guy (probably supposed to drop him off to Wilson with Mathieu maybe providing help over the top) and it let Edelman get clean out of his break. If Ragland wasn't supposed to be dropping off the TE there to take that short zone, then it almost has to have been Hitchens that ended up responsible for it.

Ward is clearly in man on the bottom of the field but that doesn't mean that Breeland was supposed to be up high. He could been in a zone there and passing Edelman to Hitchens fairly easily.
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Old 12-09-2019, 03:35 PM   #36
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After watching that clip about a hundred times, it's pretty obvious that Breeland wasn't supposed to follow Edelman across the field. It was subterfuge; he was always supposed to fall up-field. It was a trap and it worked.

Though it seems obvious that someone was supposed to cover Edelman (can't leave him just wide open?), but not sure who that was supposed to be.

Not Ragland; he's not in any position to cover Edelman once he turns up-field to trail the TE. It's an impossible ask for him, or really any LB from where the play starts.

Maybe Hitchens?

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Old 12-09-2019, 03:46 PM   #37
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After watching that clip about a hundred times, it's pretty obvious that Breeland wasn't supposed to follow Edelman across the field. It was subterfuge; he was always supposed to fall up-field. It was a trap and it worked.

Though it seems obvious that someone was supposed to cover Edelman I(can't leave him just wide open?), but not sure who that was supposed to be.

Not Ragland; he's not in any position to cover Edelman once he turns up-field to trail the TE. It's an impossible ask for him, or really any LB from where the play starts.

Maybe Hitchens?
Well unless Ragland was never suppose to trail the TE and it was supposed to be Breeland picking him up on an exchange just like he did. If he was supposed to just pop the TE off the line to knock him off his route and then stay in a short zone on the left side, that would seem to cover Edelman out of his break, then Hitchens takes him as he comes across.

That puts a TON of stress on Thornhill because the inside guy from the bunch formation (81?) got behind Mathieu as Mathieu picked up the RB and Ward was in man, so if Brady had seen Breeland and waited out that route, Thornhill would've had a touch choice on who to provide help to, the deep crosser or the possible deep flag from the TE.

But that's the kind of thing you can risk when you have Thornhill's speed and Tom Brady's wobble-launcher of an arm.

That Patriots offense has some REAL problems if they can't get their running game picked up in a big way. Anything beyond a 3rd and 5 means they need to get deep into their bag of tricks or hope for a busted coverage (or penalty). They hardly have anything to attack even the intermediate areas with.
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Old 12-09-2019, 03:47 PM   #38
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All thanks to a 3000 post CP thread that directly lead to us signing this piece of shit a year or so later. It was meant to be; heís the chosen one.
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Fenton is the one guy in this draft that I was like oh great pick, CARL, he's just gonna suck.



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The CBs can play team defense and actually get help when/where they expect it. So they cut back on freelancing and they just play.

It's impossible to overstate the damage that safety unit did to this defense last season.
The truly sad thing is that we KNEW our safeties were garbage last year. It's awesome that they addressed the position for THIS season, but what could have been...
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I'm not convinced.

He only made the INT because he was so hilariously out of position after being beaten by Edelman on a simple slant.. the 4th down swat to save the game was a great play, though. He easily could have panicked and gotten really grabby trying to go over top of the receiver to get a hand on the ball.
I mean, that's not even close to correct. They've been passing guys off well for weeks now. How do you watch that and see Breeland at fault?
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I mean, that's not even close to correct. They've been passing guys off well for weeks now. How do you watch that and see Breeland at fault?

Are you serious? Watch the play. Thereís a lot of shit going on. Weíve got some dudes playing man, others playing zone, some trailing, guys late to fill their zone.

I was wrong for making the assumption that he ****ed up. Youíre just as wrong for assuming he was right.. we canít know for sure without knowing the play call.
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Well unless Ragland was never suppose to trail the TE and it was supposed to be Breeland picking him up on an exchange just like he did. If he was supposed to just pop the TE off the line to knock him off his route and then stay in a short zone on the left side, that would seem to cover Edelman out of his break, then Hitchens takes him as he comes across.

That puts a TON of stress on Thornhill because the inside guy from the bunch formation (81?) got behind Mathieu as Mathieu picked up the RB and Ward was in man, so if Brady had seen Breeland and waited out that route, Thornhill would've had a touch choice on who to provide help to, the deep crosser or the possible deep flag from the TE.

But that's the kind of thing you can risk when you have Thornhill's speed and Tom Brady's wobble-launcher of an arm.

That Patriots offense has some REAL problems if they can't get their running game picked up in a big way. Anything beyond a 3rd and 5 means they need to get deep into their bag of tricks or hope for a busted coverage (or penalty). They hardly have anything to attack even the intermediate areas with.
This is possible also.

It's hard to say, because Ragland just turns and takes off after the TE ASAP; which is kind of weird, because there's no way he has the speed to keep up. In fact, he's beaten almost immediately off the line. Not to mention that Ragland isn't a coverage LB at all. At all. AT ALL. The only way I see Ragland being effective at all on that play is if he were lined up at least two yards farther up-field than he actually was at the snap. Then MAYBE he has a chance to jump Edelman as he catches the ball, assuming it's delivered at about the same time of the actual pass. But even then it'd be tough for Ragland to make that tackle, wouldn't it? I mean, Tom's not an idiot, so he would've delivered the ball when Edelman was even or past Ragland, and then Ragland really has no chance of catching Edelamn, so . . .

Is it possible that Edelman was really Hitchens/Wilson's responsibility? I mean they were both right there in the middle, and if the ball came to Edelman instead of to the TE, one of them would've probably been in a position to make the tackle.

I don't know. But Edelman wasn't Breeland's man on that play, that much is for certain.

Afterthought:

Maybe Ragland was supposed to chase the TE as part of the trap? Make TB think "well look at that ridiculous match-up, I just have to take that." Would Spags create a design that subtle? Would any DC? If he did, the man's a certifiable lunatic genius.

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