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**dirk digler** · 01-27-2010, 12:12 PM

Cool stuff. On Engadget live right now

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/l...est&refresh=30

irishjayhawk · 05-16-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Yup, but my problem is that even if ATT allowed it, their network is such crap that it would be a pain... really need a true 4G connection for it to be worthwhile to me.

Sprint has that now and Verizon will soon(ish) .. ATT and Tmobile will be ages away IMHO.

ATT said today that HSDPA+ (or whatever) is coming by the end of 2010.

Not that I buy it.

NewChief · 05-16-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Yup, but my problem is that even if ATT allowed it, their network is such crap that it would be a pain... really need a true 4G connection for it to be worthwhile to me.

Sprint has that now and Verizon will soon(ish) .. ATT and Tmobile will be ages away IMHO.

Heh. ATT is infamously bad in Austin at SXSW interactive. I wonder if that's because the majority of smartphone usage was occurring on ATT or if it's just how shitty their network is.

The ATT network is fine around here, but my wife's iPhone was completely useless on vacation in Florida.

**AustinChief** · 05-19-2010, 05:27 PM

And today we see the beginning of the end for h.264.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/the-ti...-project/34725

EVRYONE that matters is backing it as the HTML5 video standard... Apple better jump onboard or get left behind.

To further kick Apple in the nuts...tomorrow will be the launch of Android 2.2 with FLASH support. Ouch.

Silock · 05-19-2010, 05:38 PM

I'm sure they will... but how is what Google is doing any different from what Apple did? They each back something other than Flash and it's in their own interests to do so.

I'm sure Apple will support and be fine with it.

Hardly an Apple nut-kick. It is what it is. Apple is still doing just fine. They almost doubled their mobile phone marketshare from this time last year, from 1.5% to 2.7%. And iPhone OS accounts for 15% of all mobile traffic, good enough for 3rd place, ahead of Android by 5%. We'll see if that holds up, especially with the release of OS 4 and the new iPhone next month.

**AustinChief** · 05-19-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

I'm sure they will... but how is what Google is doing any different from what Apple did? They each back something other than Flash and it's in their own interests to do so.

I'm sure Apple will support and be fine with it.

Hardly an Apple nut-kick. It is what it is. Apple is still doing just fine. They almost doubled their mobile phone marketshare from this time last year, from 1.5% to 2.7%. And iPhone OS accounts for 15% of all mobile traffic, good enough for 3rd place, ahead of Android by 5%. We'll see if that holds up, especially with the release of OS 4 and the new iPhone next month.

If Apple is going to support WebM... why are they the last to announce that? YouTube is already making the conversion... once completed, Google (if they choose) can flip a switch and make iPads obsolete. As I said, Apple better catch up QUICK or they risk major usability outages.

Regarding Android 2.2....
Where are you getting your figures? Not saying hey are wrong, but based on current SALES, Android passed Apple last month and will garner even MORE market share with the new releases. BUT the real nut-kick comes from all the tablets that can now be released based on Android. How does anyone defend the iPad when a competing tablet does everything and a whole lot more? (there may be a solid argument based on battery life... not sure yet on that)

**AustinChief** · 05-19-2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

I'm sure they will... but how is what Google is doing any different from what Apple did? They each back something other than Flash and it's in their own interests to do so.

I'm sure Apple will support and be fine with it.

The difference is that Google released an open source standard AND continues to support Flash. Hell, Adobe's CTO was a major part of today's event.

Apple backed a proprietary standard while eliminating support for a competitor...

BIG DIFFERENCE.

**AustinChief** · 05-19-2010, 07:05 PM

Apple better get on the ball...

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Google, Mozilla and Opera are all adding WebM support to their browsers and all videos that are 720p or larger uploaded to YouTube after May 19th will be be encoded in WebM as part of its HTML5 experiment."

Looks like Google is killing h.264 support.

Silock · 05-19-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

If Apple is going to support WebM... why are they the last to announce that? YouTube is already making the conversion... once completed, Google (if they choose) can flip a switch and make iPads obsolete. As I said, Apple better catch up QUICK or they risk major usability outages.

Why don't we cross that bridge when we come to it instead of playing "What if?"

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Regarding Android 2.2....
Where are you getting your figures? Not saying hey are wrong, but based on current SALES, Android passed Apple last month and will garner even MORE market share with the new releases. BUT the real nut-kick comes from all the tablets that can now be released based on Android. How does anyone defend the iPad when a competing tablet does everything and a whole lot more? (there may be a solid argument based on battery life... not sure yet on that)

Gartner. http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1372013

Silock · 05-19-2010, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief

The difference is that Google released an open source standard AND continues to support Flash. Hell, Adobe's CTO was a major part of today's event.

Apple backed a proprietary standard while eliminating support for a competitor...

BIG DIFFERENCE.

H.264 isn't proprietary.

Silock · 05-19-2010, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Apple better get on the ball...

Looks like Google is killing h.264 support.

Maybe. We'll see.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...is_a_mess.html

**AustinChief** · 05-19-2010, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

H.264 isn't proprietary.

Yes it is. It is wholy owned and controled by MPEG-LA, who have made it free FOR NOW... but that can change.

**AustinChief** · 05-19-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

Why don't we cross that bridge when we come to it instead of playing "What if?"

Gartner. http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1372013

OK, those figures are worldwide, I was going off US figures.

http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_100510.html

**AustinChief** · 05-19-2010, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

Maybe. We'll see.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...is_a_mess.html

What is a "mess" is that article... #1 it is full of speculation and fabricatiosn from a guy who couldn't possibly have gone through enough of the code to comment. #2 it contradicts EVERYONE elses opinion #3 The guy they quoted has a vested interest in protecting h.264.. since that is where he makes his money

I sincerely hope Apple gets into a pissing match with Google...

Pitt Gorilla · 05-19-2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

I sincerely hope Apple gets into a pissing match with Google...

Why?

**AustinChief** · 05-19-2010, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Why?

Just the humor of it... Google could destroy them without much effort.

In reality, Apple will probably jump on the WebM bandwagon at the last minute and be fine... just because Google released WebM doesn't mean we'll see much of it soon... just like I said about h.264, it's a long way from truly replacing Flash video.

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