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Old 09-25-2008, 07:23 PM  
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Bailout talks close, then McCain arrives and now they've stalled

McCain: gets things undone.


Blame Game Begins as Bailout Proposal Fizzles
Susan Davis reports on Congress.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/0...posal-fizzles/



President Bush, second from right, meets with John McCain, far left, and Barack Obama, far right, and congressional leaders in the Cabinet Room of the White House on Thursday. (AP)


Congressional Democratic leaders wasted no time pointing the blame at House Republicans and in particular Republican presidential candidate John McCain after a tentative deal on the $700 billion financial sector bailout proposal blew up following an afternoon meeting at the White House.

“I would suggest that anyone in that meeting who tried to understand what John McCain said at that meeting, couldn’t,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada told reporters Thursday evening.

McCain suspended his campaign to return to Washington D.C. to take part in negotiations on the bailout. Barack Obama also returned after President Bush requested he attend today’s meeting. Reid suggested McCain’s return injected politics in to the negotiations. McCain was the last one to speak at the White House meeting, Reid said, and he “didn’t say anything substantive.”

“John McCain did nothing to help, he only hurt the process,” Reid said, further chastising McCain for calling for a delay in Friday’s presidential debate in Mississippi. “We should not let this little effort to avoid participating in the debates sidetrack this most important issue,” Reid said.

Growing resistance among House Republicans played a greater role in stalling negotiations, as a faction of GOP lawmakers released principles for a competing bailout proposal as it became increasingly clear that the tentative agreement did not have broad support in the House Republican Conference. One House Republican aide estimated that no more than 45 House Republicans would support the current proposal.

Key negotiators expressed surprise at the counter proposal. Reid said he was “stunned” by House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio who had previously expressed his support for passing a bipartisan plan.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said she does not want to bring a bill to the floor without a significant number of House Republicans on board. Democrats are not keen to take political ownership of a Bush administration proposal less than six weeks before Election Day.

“If it’s going to pass, it needs to be bipartisan,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland told reporters, adding that he has “confidence” that Boehner is working to that end. “I hope that his Conference will cooperate in that effort.” Hoyer declined to say how many House Republicans would have to be on board for Democrats to bring the measure to the floor.

Reid said negotiations will begin again at 8:00pm/ET tonight. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke were headed back to Capitol Hill to meet with lawmakers. Reid said he asked Paulson to “do what he can” to get House Republicans on board.

“It’s all very fuzzy to us, we don’t know where we are,” House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank told reporters on the status of negotiations. Frank also suggested McCain’s return to Capitol Hill hurt negotiations.

“Sen. McCain has not been involved in this,” Frank said, noting the Arizona senator does not sit on any committees of jurisdiction and did not take place in earlier negotiations. “I think this was a campaign ploy by Sen. McCain,” he said, “He slowed it down. I don’t know if he caused it or what.” Echoing Reid, Frank said McCain should participate in Friday’s presidential debate, adding that if he doesn’t it’s “only because he doesn’t want to.”

UPDATE: “As far as I know Sen. McCain has not endorsed this plan. This is not a product of his campaign,” Virginia Republican Rep. Eric Cantor told reporters tonight. Cantor is leading the coalition of House Republicans who devised the competing plan with the consent of Boehner; he took issue with characterizations that Republicans surprised negotiators with their proposal.

“We’ve been talking about this plan for at least two days,” he said. Cantor defended McCain’s decision to return to Washington for “trying to affect the change needed” to get a bill done. “I applaud him in coming back and making sure that as a senator he is here to do that,” he said.
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:28 PM   #181
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All this talk and no one has said if Obama is in support of the current bill??? Can anyone tell me if Obama supports the current bill on the table.
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:29 PM   #182
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If the dems really wanted to pass it they could. Only they don't want their name on it alone if the whole thing goes south. As it stands the Republicans want no part of the bill.
That's exactly right except when you put it like that I don't see how you get 'It's a McCain political stunt' out of it.

That's what most of the board seems to think anyway.
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:30 PM   #183
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there is that little matter of the President's signature standing in their way.

And they can't even generate cloture in the Senate.
Wait I thought the Pres was in support of the this bailout ... not to mention that to many on this board the Prez holds no power now he is a "beyond lame duck"?
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:31 PM   #184
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That's exactly right except when you put it like that I don't see how you get 'It's a McCain political stunt' out of it.

That's what most of the board seems to think anyway.
Well, it's exactly right if you don't count how it's wrong.

1. can't generate cloture in Senate if the Republicans wish to block it.

2. can't turn it into a law without the PResident's vote, as they can't generate 2/3rds in both houses.

So yeah, except for the fact that they can't do it, they could do it!
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:32 PM   #185
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Wait I thought the Pres was in support of the this bailout ... not to mention that to many on this board the Prez holds no power now he is a "beyond lame duck"?
He may be beyond lame duck, but he still has what the Constitution gave him.

Nor is it my understanding that Bush will sign something that the Congressional Republicans reject.

I dont', btw, disagree that the Democrats would prefer some political cover if the bailout goes to hell. Unfortuntely, that is politics as usual for both sides.
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:42 PM   #186
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good. they ought to just let them go under.
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:50 PM   #187
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Well, it's exactly right if you don't count how it's wrong.

1. can't generate cloture in Senate if the Republicans wish to block it.

2. can't turn it into a law without the PResident's vote, as they can't generate 2/3rds in both houses.

So yeah, except for the fact that they can't do it, they could do it!
I was more speaking from the cover the dems are trying to find by making sure a majority of republicans vote for the bailout.

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Pelosi told members of her caucus on Tuesday that there would be no vote on the bailout without “a majority of the minority.”
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...008-09-24.html
They're looking for someone to hide behind if the thing goes south as alanm pointed out.

To your points, how do you know they can't get Senate cloture, and I think Bush has already agreed to principle on it.
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Old 09-26-2008, 03:23 PM   #188
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I was more speaking from the cover the dems are trying to find by making sure a majority of republicans vote for the bailout.



They're looking for someone to hide behind if the thing goes south as alanm pointed out.

To your points, how do you know they can't get Senate cloture, and I think Bush has already agreed to principle on it.
The only people opposing it are a few house Republicans. This will fly through the Senate and Bush will do what he does when he gets a huge spending bill on his desk, sign away.

If this bill were such a good thing for America the Dems would run to take all the credit for saving the world while the Republicans sat on their hands....
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He may be beyond lame duck, but he still has what the Constitution gave him.

Nor is it my understanding that Bush will sign something that the Congressional Republicans reject.

I dont', btw, disagree that the Democrats would prefer some political cover if the bailout goes to hell. Unfortuntely, that is politics as usual for both sides.
I don't think there's any indication that Senate Republicans want to filibuster this bailout nor that there's reason to believe that President Bush would veto it. The opposition seems to be coming primarily from house Republicans and a very small number of Senate conservatives.
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All this talk and no one has said if Obama is in support of the current bill??? Can anyone tell me if Obama supports the current bill on the table.
He voted present.
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All this talk and no one has said if Obama is in support of the current bill??? Can anyone tell me if Obama supports the current bill on the table.
There is no current bill on the table, hence the stalling and such.
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