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Old 02-17-2018, 12:38 PM  
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Mueller Destroys "total hoax," "made-up story," and "greatest witch hunt" Lies

Guess Trump can now stop spouting his lies about Russian interference in the election, eh?

Even Trump's National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster responds to the indictments of 13 Russian nationals for their roles in attempted meddling in the 2016 election, saying evidence of Russian interference is "incontrovertible."


https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/polit...sel/index.html

Robert Mueller just made it impossible for Trump to call the special counsel probe a 'total hoax'

Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large

On Friday afternoon, the Justice Department announced that special counsel Robert Mueller had indicted 13 Russian nationals for their roles in attempted meddling in the 2016 election.

Most of these people do not live in the United States, and you can bet your bottom dollar that Russia won't be extraditing them any time soon. But that's not the point.
The point is this: The indictments of a baker's dozen of Russians gives us a very clear window into not only the depth and breadth of the Mueller investigation, but also makes crystal clear what the Russians wanted in the 2016 election and the elaborate measures they undertook to make it happen.

This paragraph stands out:

"Defendant ORGANIZATION had a strategic goal to sow discord in the U.S. political system, including the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Defendants posted derogatory information about a number of candidates, and by early to mid-2016, Defendants' operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ("Trump Campaign") and disparaging Hillary Clinton. Defendants made various expenditures to carry out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S. persons and entities. Defendants also staged political rallies inside the United States, and while posing as U.S. grassroots entities and U.S. persons, and without revealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation, solicited and compensated real U.S. persons to promote or disparage candidates. Some Defendants, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities."

OK. So what we know from that paragraph of the charging documents, which you can read in full here, is this:
  • By "early to mid-2016," Russians had decided to use whatever means at their disposal to help Donald Trump win.
  • The Russians bought political ads on social media sites and organized political rallies to achieve those goals.
  • Russians, disguising their identities, "communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump campaign" in an attempt to "coordinate political activities."
  • None of that is a smoking gun of collusion.
  • "Unwitting" members of Trumpworld working with Russians, who didn't identify themselves as Russians, is not the same as a willful effort on behalf of members of the Trump campaign to actively collude with the Russian government.
  • But what this latest set of indictments proves beyond a shadow of a doubt is that, yes, Russia staged an aggressive and elaborate effort to influence the 2016 election.
  • This was a multi-pronged campaign -- social media, in-person meetings, political rallies -- by the Russians to beat Hillary Clinton and elect Donald Trump. It employed hundreds of people.
  • That analysis, of course, jibes with the unanimous conclusion of the intelligence community in 2017 that Russia actively sought to influence the 2016 election in support of Trump.
  • What it runs directly counter to is Trump's ongoing -- and persistent -- attempts to cast the entire special counsel investigation as nothing more than a politically motivated sideshow.

    Here's a sampling of Trump's recent tweets touching on Mueller's investigation.
  • "This memo totally vindicates 'Trump' in probe. But the Russian Witch Hunt goes on and on. Their was no Collusion and there was no Obstruction (the word now used because, after one year of looking endlessly and finding NOTHING, collusion is dead)." (2/3/18)
  • "The single greatest Witch Hunt in American history continues. There was no collusion, everybody including the Dems knows there was no collusion, & yet on and on it goes. Russia & the world is laughing at the stupidity they are witnessing. Republicans should finally take control!" (1/10/18)
  • "The Russia-Trump collusion story is a total hoax, when will this taxpayer funded charade end?" (5/8/17)

There's lots (and lots) more tweets and quotes just like that from the President. Trump has suggested the attempted election hacking could have been perpetrated by China or even as a "guy sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds."

You get the idea. Despite the unanimous conclusion of the intelligence community -- including Trump's CIA Director Mike Pompeo and his FBI Director Christopher Wray -- that Russia engaged in a coordinated effort to meddle in the 2017 election, Trump still wasn't convinced.

Of course, this changes nothing when it comes to how Trump will respond. Even Friday afternoon, Trump tweeted about the Russian indictments, once again beating the "no collusion" drum.

"Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President," Trump tweeted. "The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong - no collusion!"

But if it was very hard to hold the Trumpian position -- it might have been Russia, it might have been someone else! -- with a shred of intellectual honesty prior to Friday, it's impossible now.

Consider what the Mueller investigation has already done:
  • Former national security adviser Michael Flynn has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russians during the 2016 campaign and is cooperating with the Mueller investigation.
  • Former foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russians during the 2016 campaign and is cooperating with the Mueller investigation.
  • Former deputy campaign chairman Rick Gates is reportedly on the verge of signing a plea agreement and cooperating with Mueller. Gates faces a variety of charges, including money laundering and other financial crimes.
  • Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort faces a variety of charges of financial crimes
  • 13 Russians have been indicted on participating in a broad-scale attempt to throw the election to Trump.

That is not the stuff of witch hunts and hoaxes. Those are real-life charges which carry at least the possibility of real jail time.

And they all make a simple point: It's long past time for Trump to stop name-calling an investigation that has uncovered a massive effort for a foreign government to meddle in a US presidential election.
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Old 02-18-2018, 08:53 AM   #91
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That Trumpbots were too stupid to realize they were being played is not surprising.
Wait, so you knew it was Russia all along?
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Old 02-18-2018, 08:58 AM   #92
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Wait, so you knew it was Russia all along?
Of course he did....
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Wait, so you knew it was Russia all along?
Question is, were the Dems too stupid to realize they were being played at these Russia-influenced, Ant-Trump rallies, or were they in cahoots?
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 02-18-2018, 10:00 AM   #94
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Mueller was appoiinted in MAY 17, 2017.....9 months ago....are you THIS stupid? Seriously???




When we finally get to the two year point, you MAY have a point....right now, you don't...
The FBI and the DOJ was crawling up Trump and his people's rectum with a magnifying glass long before Mueller was appointed to continue the hunt for dirt.[/QUOTE]

Which is why Trump needs to be the adult in the room, set a deadline for them, then see to it that this stupidity is stopped and the FBI gets back to doing work that matters, all of them.

Even if it's to look into what the mother****ing Russians, and Chinese, and everybody else, are doing to keep the liberal agenda going and knock us off the top of the food chain. But the angles needs to be what THEY are doing, not Trump. Hell, look into the previous administration, it's pretty clear they didn't care what it took to further their agenda, as long as it was furthered.
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I don't see this as a partisan issue... as Mitt Romney said, Russia is our biggest geopolitical threat and this proves it.
Obama laughed at him on stage during the debate for saying it, and the media joined in the chorus of laughter.


I didn't hear one Democrat agree with Mitt. They can't suddenly turn on a dime today and start agreeing.
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I didn't hear one Democrat agree with Mitt. They can't suddenly turn on a dime today and start agreeing.
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They have...
Oh, they're certain they have plenty of time to turn any ship around.

Look no further than to how they treat McCain, depending on if he's asserting power, or wallowing in defeat, or 'being all mavericky.'
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The FBI and the DOJ was crawling up Trump and his people's rectum with a magnifying glass long before Mueller was appointed to continue the hunt for dirt.
Bullshit. I was a mere routine investigation, UNTIL Mueller was appointed. The best proof of that is almost no one on 'the right' took the charges seriously UNTIL Mueller was appointed. They laughed it off, and said it was just a partisan witch hunt. Well, guess what....it's not. Live with it.

Again, be patient; if after another 12-18 months if nothing else comes down, then we can start talking about finishing things up....which by the way is still much less time and effort spent on the Hillary investigations (justified to some extent, but just as much of a "witch hunt" when you consider nothing really big came out of that....)

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Which is why Trump needs to be the adult in the room, set a deadline for them, then see to it that this stupidity is stopped and the FBI gets back to doing work that matters, all of them....
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Again, Bullshit...very few on your side even took it seriously before Mueller was appointed. So with that nonsense. Your side was drug kicking and screaming into it, because you were afraid there might be something to it....

And if the Dipshit in Chief really attempts to interfere by firing people and imposing arbitrary deadlines, if nothing else....that will get his ass impeached.
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Seems a bit hyperbolic.
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Seems a bit hyperbolic.
No more so than about 90% of the shit Trump spews on a daily friggin' basis....
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No more so than about 90% of the shit Trump spews on a daily friggin' basis....
That doesn't make it right or accurate.
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That doesn't make it right or accurate.
It also doesn't make it based from Russia...
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It also doesn't make it based from Russia...
Are saying you do not believe that the Russians meddled in the 2016 election?
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