Royals Not everyone impressed with Dayton Moore

shaneo69 · 01-09-2009, 08:13 PM

A Royal Dump
by Dave Cameron - January 9, 2009

Man, I feel bad for Royals fans. Today, they announced a two year contract for Willie Bloomquist, worth a total of $3 million. That gives us this unholy quarter of transactions:

Kyle Farnsworth - 2 years, $9 million, 2006 to 2008: 0.1 wins above replacement
Mike Jacobs - 1 year, $3.5 million, 2006 to 2008: 0.7 wins above replacement
Horacio Ramirez - 1 year, $1.9 million, 2006 to 2008: 0.2 wins above replacement
Willie Bloomquist - 2 years, $3 million, 2006 to 2008: 0.3 wins above replacement

Those Win Value totals are not per year, but three year totals. Over the last three seasons, that foursome has been worth 1.3 wins combined. That’s 12 player-seasons to accumulate just over one marginal win. If you were trying to scrape up examples of major league players who represent replacement level performance, you couldn’t do much better than this group.

That those four will earn a collective $11.4 million in 2009 is pretty staggering. $11.4 million for four guys who, if everything goes right, will add something like one win to the Royals roster next year. $11.4 million for one win. I guess it’s better than the $12 million they spent to get 0.2 wins from Jose Guillen last winter, but that’s in the same way that getting stabbed is better than getting shot.

Dayton Moore came from Atlanta with a strong record of player development. He’s going to have be a Hall of Fame caliber GM at cultivating talent from within his own organization to overcome what can only be described as a devastatingly poor ability to evaluate major league players.

Really, in a market that could only be described as the best buyer’s market we’ve seen in a long time, Dayton Moore has still managed to squander money on unproductive players who do nothing to help his team win. That’s amazing.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/a-royal-dump/

keg in kc · 01-09-2009, 08:17 PM

Wonder why he left out Coco Crisp?

Infidel Goat · 01-09-2009, 08:21 PM

With the exception of the Farnsworth signing, he's talking about chump change in MLB.

eazyb81 · 01-09-2009, 08:22 PM

Darn, a sabremetric geek with a blog doesn't like Dayton Moore's moves this offseason. What will we do???

**DeezNutz** · 01-09-2009, 08:24 PM

I'd admit that this FA period doesn't look the best on paper. We'll see, though.

I really think this is the year Pena breaks through to the tune of .218/.235/.278

eazyb81 · 01-09-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'd admit that this FA period doesn't look the best on paper. We'll see, though.

I really think this is the year Pena breaks through to the tune of .218/.235/.278

For another team?

I'm assuming the signing of Bloomquist finally gets Pena off the roster.

**DeezNutz** · 01-09-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

For another team?

I'm assuming the signing of Bloomquist finally gets Pena off the roster.

Never!

If the Royals want to get to where they want to go, Pena is going to have to be a part of this. /LaFever/

Deberg_1990 · 01-09-2009, 08:33 PM

How long does Dayton get a pass??

This will be his 3rd full year right? What if the Royals are bad again this year??

eazyb81 · 01-09-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

How long does Dayton get a pass??

This will be his 3rd full year right? What if the Royals are bad again this year??

What the hell are you talking about?

The Royals' record has improved every single year he's been here.

**DeezNutz** · 01-09-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

How long does Dayton get a pass??

This will be his 3rd full year right? What if the Royals are bad again this year??

The honeymoon period is over. Dayton's said this himself, though. No excuses. Said "they're no longer a young team."

Let's see what happens. He's been improving the team, especially in the draft, IMO.

Deberg_1990 · 01-09-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

What the hell are you talking about?

The Royals' record has improved every single year he's been here.

Yea, i guess they didnt finish in last in 08. Thats progress.

eazyb81 · 01-09-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Yea, i guess they didnt finish in last in 08. Thats progress.

Yep, it is progress, especially when you consider the shape of the franchise when Moore took over (numerous insiders have said it was "expansion level").

I know people want a worst-to-first run, but that's not realistic. I don't know how anyone can rationally fault a GM when he's made the team better every year and hasn't abandoned the young players to do so.

keg in kc · 01-09-2009, 08:57 PM

Baseball isn't football. It takes about 5 years to rebuild a MLB franchise from rookie-ball up. I don't know that people have a grasp on just how bad the Royals were, top-to-bottom, when he came onboard in '06. I would imagine the real, important, long-term FA signings will come in the 2010-2011 range, once more pieces come up from the farm system (assuming anything comes up from the farm system, of course). I've thought this was going to be a long process from the start.

Baseball is not a sport for the ritalin generation. Hell, both off the field and on it.

Silock · 01-09-2009, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Yep, it is progress, especially when you consider the shape of the franchise when Moore took over (numerous insiders have said it was "expansion level").

I know people want a worst-to-first run, but that's not realistic. I don't know how anyone can rationally fault a GM when he's made the team better every year and hasn't abandoned the young players to do so.

This. And I don't agree with sleazyb very often.

MIAdragon · 01-09-2009, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Baseball isn't football. It takes about 5 years to rebuild a MLB franchise from rookie-ball up. I don't know that people have a grasp on just how bad the Royals were, top-to-bottom, when he came onboard in '06. I would imagine the real, important, long-term FA signings will come in the 2010-2011 range, once more pieces come up from the farm system (assuming anything comes up from the farm system, of course). I've thought this was going to be a long process from the start.

Baseball is not a sport for the ritalin generation. Hell, both off the field and on it.

IMO it takes WAY more than 5 years.

01-09-2009, 08:13 PM
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	Not everyone impressed with Dayton Moore A Royal Dump by Dave Cameron - January 9, 2009 Man, I feel bad for Royals fans. Today, they announced a two year contract for Willie Bloomquist, worth a total of $3 million. That gives us this unholy quarter of transactions: Kyle Farnsworth - 2 years, $9 million, 2006 to 2008: 0.1 wins above replacement Mike Jacobs - 1 year, $3.5 million, 2006 to 2008: 0.7 wins above replacement Horacio Ramirez - 1 year, $1.9 million, 2006 to 2008: 0.2 wins above replacement Willie Bloomquist - 2 years, $3 million, 2006 to 2008: 0.3 wins above replacement Those Win Value totals are not per year, but three year totals. Over the last three seasons, that foursome has been worth 1.3 wins combined. That’s 12 player-seasons to accumulate just over one marginal win. If you were trying to scrape up examples of major league players who represent replacement level performance, you couldn’t do much better than this group. That those four will earn a collective $11.4 million in 2009 is pretty staggering. $11.4 million for four guys who, if everything goes right, will add something like one win to the Royals roster next year. $11.4 million for one win. I guess it’s better than the $12 million they spent to get 0.2 wins from Jose Guillen last winter, but that’s in the same way that getting stabbed is better than getting shot. Dayton Moore came from Atlanta with a strong record of player development. He’s going to have be a Hall of Fame caliber GM at cultivating talent from within his own organization to overcome what can only be described as a devastatingly poor ability to evaluate major league players. Really, in a market that could only be described as the best buyer’s market we’ve seen in a long time, Dayton Moore has still managed to squander money on unproductive players who do nothing to help his team win. That’s amazing. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/a-royal-dump/
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Baseball isn't football. It takes about 5 years to rebuild a MLB franchise from rookie-ball up. I don't know that people have a grasp on just how bad the Royals were, top-to-bottom, when he came onboard in '06. I would imagine the real, important, long-term FA signings will come in the 2010-2011 range, once more pieces come up from the farm system (assuming anything comes up from the farm system, of course). I've thought this was going to be a long process from the start. Baseball is not a sport for the ritalin generation. Hell, both off the field and on it.
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