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Old 12-28-2008, 11:06 AM  
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Old 12-29-2008, 12:01 AM   #106
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To us they are not a terrorist organization
Our state department disagrees with your assessment. It will be interesting to see if Obama reverses that position.
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:36 AM   #107
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Israel = expansion nation with 100% American backing with $$$.

Most of Israels support in the US is religious,especially Christian right.

Anyone wonder why the rest of the world who isn't Christian hates us?

We helped create Israel , they've expanded and now have nukes.

Spells recipe for World War III to me.
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Old 12-29-2008, 07:06 AM   #108
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Israel = expansion nation with 100% American backing with $$$.

Most of Israels support in the US is religious,especially Christian right.

Anyone wonder why the rest of the world who isn't Christian hates us?

We helped create Israel , they've expanded and now have nukes.

Spells recipe for World War III to me.
No we didn't. Great Britain did. Their empire was bankrupt at the end of WWII, and we just took over its role. The ME conflict is largely the creation of Great Britain and to some degree France. It is also blowback for getting involved in WWI which helped vindictive European interests punish Germany leading to the rise of Hitler. It was the war that started a lot of other wars: WW2 which lead to the Cold War as well as the ME conflict. Per Truman's bio, he was not going to recognize Israel. He claimed he was heavily pressured by Zionists who met with him to do so. Not sure what faith they were. Even FDR said how that area settles out should be left up to the people in the area. You may have a case that we made Israel stronger. Also, it's not just Christians either. It's certain sects, usually Protestant Dispensationalists and some other faiths, not all are religious either. FWIW Roman Catholics tend to be less Zionist. Same with certain Orthodox Jews.
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Old 12-29-2008, 07:11 AM   #109
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Hitler wasn't much of a threat to us either, by the standards of those who dismiss that of Iraq and the various strains of radical islamists running around the middle east. He certainly wasn't an imminent threat to our mainland.
Well, where else would they or should they be running around? In America? Europe? I'd rather they stay there. ( just thought about this part of your post again this morning pat.)
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Old 12-29-2008, 07:25 AM   #110
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I didn't know that either and until I watched the movie. It was a decent movie. I don't get why they didn't just do a suicide mission and walk in with a gun and shoot him in the head...or just tell the Allies where the Wolf Liar was and what day and time they meet and have them bomb the holy shit out of that area
The first I heard about it was about 11/2 years ago as a short blurb within an article on Lew Rockwell's site. Yeah, that guy that the lefties hate. I've learned a lot of history that never gets reported from their historians.

I have to say one thought that passed through my head seeing the movie was that thte date was as late as 1944 when the German's were losing the war. I thought wtf? Why now? So when I got home I checked it out further and found that there were other attempts much earlier. Those must have been the ones Lew's site was referring to.
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Old 12-29-2008, 07:53 AM   #111
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AGAIN Hamas has a militaristic politically charged faction that IMO has the backing of the majority of the regular Palistinians BECAUSE their other factions build hospitals and schools for them. The strategy that if ever adopted by the U.S. will weaken their validation and popularity in the region. To us they are not a terrorist organization because as BEP astutely pointed out they have not committed terrorist acts against us. To the people of Israel I'm sure they are. But then again, to the regular Palistinians Israel is a terrorist organization. They are just better financed at it.
George W Bush *did* adopt that strategy and has employed it throughout the world.
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Old 12-29-2008, 07:55 AM   #112
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Well, where else would they or should they be running around? In America? Europe? I'd rather they stay there. ( just thought about this part of your post again this morning pat.)
They shouldn't be running around anywhere. That's what the GWoT is about.
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Old 12-29-2008, 08:19 AM   #113
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They shouldn't be running around anywhere. That's what the GWoT is about.

You think we should socially engineer states using the same types of reasons the left used on the southern states in our own country? Or in the Balkans? Even preventing them from attacking occupiers on their own lands?

There is no need for a "global" anything. That's just progressivism disguised as US security or defense. Phony as ever verbal sleight of hand.
It's about control and conquest of the world.
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Old 12-29-2008, 08:23 AM   #114
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Israel = expansion nation with 100% American backing with $$$.

Most of Israels support in the US is religious,especially Christian right.

Anyone wonder why the rest of the world who isn't Christian hates us?

We helped create Israel , they've expanded and now have nukes.

Spells recipe for World War III to me.
You are so mis-informed that I don't know where to start your re-education.
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Old 12-29-2008, 08:27 AM   #115
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You are so mis-informed that I don't know where to start your re-education.
perhaps he should google it
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Old 12-29-2008, 09:18 AM   #116
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perhaps he should google it
That appears to have been the problem.
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Old 12-29-2008, 09:38 AM   #117
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Right...it is always Israel that should tolerate the senseless murdering of their innocents.

If people were lobbing rockets into this coutnry at random I think you would be of a different opinion.


You realize if Israel took the "moral high ground" as you put it, they would essentialy allow themselves to be wiped off the map. Or do you not?
Wow, we've finally found something we agree on.
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Old 12-29-2008, 09:58 AM   #118
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AGAIN Hamas has a militaristic politically charged faction that IMO has the backing of the majority of the regular Palistinians BECAUSE their other factions build hospitals and schools for them. The strategy that if ever adopted by the U.S. will weaken their validation and popularity in the region. To us they are not a terrorist organization because as BEP astutely pointed out they have not committed terrorist acts against us. To the people of Israel I'm sure they are. But then again, to the regular Palistinians Israel is a terrorist organization. They are just better financed at it.
I don't understand your logic. They have to have committed an attack against us for you to label them a terrorist organization?
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Old 12-29-2008, 10:46 AM   #119
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Our state department disagrees with your assessment. It will be interesting to see if Obama reverses that position.
That's right. The Bush State Department. The pillar of honesty and credibility. Gee, what was I thinking!
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Old 12-29-2008, 11:01 AM   #120
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If the US was not blindly sanctioning and financing Israel's bully tactics against the Palestinian folks I doubt Hamas would even have enough support to exist. But still you have not answered my question. We were attacked by Al Qaede on 9/11. When were we attacked by Hamas?
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