Jets/Patriots feud could benefit Chiefs

[Hammock Parties]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...g/04/14/draft/

Cool stuff. Carl, stop laughing and draft someone good in the second round.

The Jets pick sixth in the first round. The Patriots pick seventh. Let me tell you a story about the last time New England picked directly behind the Jets high in a draft. It was 2001. New England held the 50th pick, New York the 49th. The Patriots very much wanted Iowa tackle Matt Light in the second round, but worried that the Jets might want Light too. New England personnel chief Scott Pioli called Light with the draft at the 47th pick and asked if he'd heard from any other teams recently. "Yeah,'' Light said. "I've got the Jets on the other line.'' Pioli thanked him, hung up, and the Patriots called the Lions, at 48, and swapped picks, giving Detroit a sixth-rounder in return. New England ended up with Light, who went on to become a three-time Super Bowl starter at left tackle. New York picked running back LaMont Jordan.

Now, when this story has been discussed over the years, the Jets have been quick to say they wouldn't necessarily have taken Light. (To which I say, "Maybe.'' Or "Yeah, right. And Joe Namath took knitting classes every night in Manhattan.'')

We can argue about New York's intent in 2001, but I can tell you this year's first round is already causing angst with the Patriots and Jets. As in the draft seven years ago, this draft finds the Jets and Patriots with similar needs. Not exactly the same needs -- the Jets might look at tackle and quarterback here, two spots the Pats won't pick in the first round -- but there are similar players very high on each team's draft boards. Glenn Dorsey. Vernon Gholston. Sedrick Ellis. Chris Long. Keith Rivers.

Moreover, the two organizations are warring clans now, after Spygate and the Deion Branch tampering charges, and that leads to an interesting scenario. Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News and Mike Reiss of the Boston Globe have written intelligently about the two teams trying to trade down. Cimini says because the Jets have spent so much guaranteed money this offseason, they'll be looking to shed the sixth slot in the draft; makes sense, I think, partly because of the estimated $20 million in guarantees the sixth pick will command.
However, after spending a good chunk of the weekend on the phone, I think the opposite could happen. I think if a player each team loves is sitting there when Kansas City goes on the clock at five, both could try to trade with the Chiefs to get the guy they want.

"We'll have our phone lines open,'' Chiefs president Carl Peterson said with a chuckle Saturday. "I can tell you if the guy we've targeted at five is not there, we'll definitely be interested in trading down.''
Wait: You need to add this proviso, Carl -- if you know the guy you want isn't going to be taken by the Jets or Pats, you've got to try to trade down just as hard.

Lots of teams trade little pieces of draft information this time of year. But you can be sure that the Patriots and Jets will be ultra-secretive when talking to friends in the league. They simply don't want their arch-enemy to know what they're thinking. Peterson also realizes that if New England is kept guessing about who the Jets want, and if the Patriots guess about who New York wants, he might be able to get either team to trade up. The Chiefs can win by keeping their lips zipped, and by dropping hints to the Pats and Jets that they'd better move into the fifth spot if they want to be sure to get the guy they love.

My theory is Peterson likes Jake Long and Matt Ryan. Also, there's a slight chance he might want Boise State's Ryan Clady, who is probably a better left-tackle prospect than Long. The way I see it, Long will be long gone by the fifth spot ... But if Atlanta doesn't take Ryan, he'll be there at 5. And should the Chiefs move down, Ryan would probably still be available at 6 and 7 too.

Here's what I love about this story: Don't put it past the Jets and the Patriots to try to trump each other.

[Frazod]

It sure would be nice to be on the beneficial end of such shenanigans. I'm still pissed at how Cleveland traded up with Dallas and swooped in right ahead of us in the first and second round last year. Bastards.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by frazod

It sure would be nice to be on the beneficial end of such shenanigans. I'm still pissed at how Cleveland traded up with Dallas and swooped in right ahead of us in the first and second round last year. Bastards.

Yeah me too, that sucked...we probably would've drafted quinn or atleast taken offers

[Brock]

What would you get for a move down from 5 to 7? A 3rd or 4th round pick? Also, Carl Peterson is ****ing reeruned.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Yeah me too, that sucked...we probably would've drafted quinn or atleast taken offers

Maybe on draft day, but in hindsight, I'd rather have Bowe.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by frazod

It sure would be nice to be on the beneficial end of such shenanigans. I'm still pissed at how Cleveland traded up with Dallas and swooped in right ahead of us in the first and second round last year. Bastards.

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Yeah me too, that sucked...we probably would've drafted quinn or atleast taken offers

Instead we ended up with some bum named Dwayne Bowe.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Coogs

The Patriots have an extra pick in round 3 at #69 from Oakland. That pick is about equal in value to swapping #5 and #7. I don't expect it to happen, but wouldn't be shocked if it did.

Something like this. EDIT: answering Brock.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Instead we ended up with some bum named Dwayne Bowe.

I have no problem with that (although the trade value would have been there). However, in the second round, they snaked us out of Wright. THAT sucked.

[Chiefnj2]

My gut tells me KC falls back a little to grab an extra 3rd rounder and takes Otah with the first.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

My gut tells me KC falls back a little to grab an extra 3rd rounder and takes Otah with the first.

I'm cool with that.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by frazod

I have no problem with that (although the trade value would have been there). However, in the second round, they snaked us out of Wright. THAT sucked.

That's the one that bothered me. I wasn't a big Quinn fan, so I thanked them for that one, but I got the impression from Herm that we had Wright targetted. To get that close...

A trade down wouldn't bother me at all, if we can do it and if we get good value. We have so many holes to fill that multiple 1st and/or 2nd/3rd round picks would be too much to pass up in my mind. But we can't let Dallas, for instance, take us to the cleaner because we're too desperate to go backwards.

But it would have to be great value. I don't want the Chiefs dropping out of the top 10 for a 4th and 5th, and I'm not sure a 3rd's enough, either...

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by frazod

I have no problem with that (although the trade value would have been there). However, in the second round, they snaked us out of Wright. THAT sucked.

Just like CP snaked us out of Satale, too.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Instead we ended up with some bum named Dwayne Bowe.

I'm not complaining trust me....

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Maybe on draft day, but in hindsight, I'd rather have Bowe.

Definetly...

Hell of a pick and i had good hopes for him anyway, but anyone that saw Quinn on the board before that trade was salivating at the thought of us drafting him

[The Franchise]

What did Cleveland exactly give up to Dallas? Was it this years 1st round pick and last years 2nd?

[Hoover]

I was praying to god that we wouldn't draft Quinn.

I'll be praying this year that we don't draft Matt Ryan.

I'm just not sold on those two guys for what they cost,