Misc ****Official Draft Sheldon Richardson Thread****

Sorter · 04-12-2013, 12:09 AM

I want Geno. If we aren't going to draft Geno, then I want the best available pass rushing interior player. Now, you might go "God ****ing dammit Sorter, you've gone full true fan on us wanting a DL!". Normally, I'd agree. However, the 3 tech is an absolutely vital position in today's NFL. Teams are being forced to run "sub" (which in the future, will become base) fronts due to the propensity to throw the ball and align in 3/4 wr sets. Additionally, the quality of TEs is encouraging more throws out of what looks like base personnel (2 TEs, etc). Having an interior rusher who consistently pushes the pocket on sub and more importantly base fronts is crucial. Personally, I'd rather have an interior rusher who struggles against the run but is explosive and active with his hand then most players. Interior players who can rush the passer are a very limited commodity. Quick, name them! Watt, Atkins, Tuck, Cox, Campbell, Jones, Suh. There are a few others you can throw in, ala Raji, but the number of effective interior pass rushers is significantly lower than the amount of OLBs/DEs.

We currently have absolutely nobody who can play the 3 tech effectively. I had very high hopes for Allen Bailey coming into last year, thinking that he'd be able to win 1-1s with RGs in subs and build on his production from his rookie year. He completely underwhelmed.

Out of the available prospects, Richardson is the only one I've seen that is consistently explosive, uses his hands, gets a great "pop", has pass rushing moves, and is athletic enough to align in the 0/1 (although he isn't a NT), 2/3/4/5/7 tech and provide a pass rush. There are some character concerns and his interviews don't help him in that regard. He also struggles against the run and has a propensity to play high (which he gets by with due to his hand fighting skills). The last part is fairly common for most rookies playing DL.

Again, I want Geno. However, having an interior player who gets upfield is a commodity every team wants but few truly have.

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**007** · 04-12-2013, 12:13 AM

The draft cannot get here quick enough for these threads to stop.

Sorter · 04-12-2013, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

The draft cannot get here quick enough for these threads to stop.

Now I'm convinced I should do one for every prospect that is projected in the 1st round.

**RealSNR** · 04-12-2013, 12:20 AM

I have nightmares thinking of the quick no-huddle teams we'll face this year, and how DeVito and Jackson won't be able to get off the field for a sub-out. Unless Poe learns how to breach through the hull, we'll be getting precisely zero pressure from our 3 linemen, which has been the case ever since we switched to the 3-4.

Richardson would probably be the solution to that problem. Leave him on the field. Might get gashed once or twice, but at least QBs aren't going to have all day to throw if we don't want to send an extra guy like DJ or Berry on a blitz.

**RealSNR** · 04-12-2013, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

The draft cannot get here quick enough for these threads to stop.

What, you mean football threads?

Sorry. Maybe people can work twice as hard to post "The Royals made poopy in the toilet!" rep threads. I'm sure houstonwhodat has a few more weird web stories up his sleeve that he'd like to share as well.

Sorter · 04-12-2013, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I have nightmares thinking of the quick no-huddle teams we'll face this year, and how DeVito and Jackson won't be able to get off the field for a sub-out. Unless Poe learns how to breach through the hull, we'll be getting precisely zero pressure from our 3 linemen, which has been the case ever since we switched to the 3-4.

Richardson would probably be the solution to that problem. Leave him on the field. Might get gashed once or twice, but at least QBs aren't going to have all day to throw if we don't want to send an extra guy like DJ or Berry on a blitz.

That's why I threw in the Baylor film.

Sorter · 04-12-2013, 12:35 AM

Personally, the Baylor film is intriguing to me. My philosophy on stopping the ZR is a combo of both 2 and 1 gap principles on your front, (see Pittsburgh v. Redskins) Effectively, you'd have one player who got upfield quickly, which would either A) Blow up the lead or IZ play, or B) Force the QB to take it himself. However, by keeping your DEs in 2-gap principles, you have an advantage. Additionally, you can create more confusion, such as utilizing this out of 5DB packages and running an IDB blitz.

Just some thoughts from someone who had some Bombay tonight.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-12-2013, 12:58 AM

He's an absolute animal, but his conditioning could also use improvement and he is the kind of guy who could poison a locker room if things aren't going well. He's not a bad person, but he's definitely a knucklehead.

At the college level he was more dominant than Aldon Smith.

**LoneWolf** · 04-12-2013, 04:43 AM

I think Poe will provide some pass rush from the NT position this year. With the change to a more attacking style defense, his initial quickness should be an asset. Plus he has a year of experience in the league.

Richardson would provide some pass rush from the 3 tech, but would teams decide to run at him since stopping the run isn't his strong suit? IMO, Star could play either the 3 or 5 tech and provide some pass rush while not being a liability vs. the run. He's not the pass rusher that Richardson is, but I think he's the more complete player.

**bevischief** · 04-12-2013, 06:27 AM

I just want wins.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-12-2013, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I have nightmares thinking of the quick no-huddle teams we'll face this year, and how DeVito and Jackson won't be able to get off the field for a sub-out. Unless Poe learns how to breach through the hull, we'll be getting precisely zero pressure from our 3 linemen, which has been the case ever since we switched to the 3-4.

Richardson would probably be the solution to that problem. Leave him on the field. Might get gashed once or twice, but at least QBs aren't going to have all day to throw if we don't want to send an extra guy like DJ or Berry on a blitz.

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

The ability to play multiple techniques is exactly why Poe was drafted and DeVito was signed. Don't think of DeVito as a DE and OLB. He can play the five technique and also play more of a 4-3 tackle or the nose.

Poe isn't there but the talent is. He wasn't bad in the nose next year and he has tremendous ability to play the five tech too. Will he develop into that? Yet tobe seen. It's why I never understood the hate for the Poe pick. If he develops as planned, he is exactly the kind of player you need to beat the no huddle.

To the point of the thread, this pick would be fine with me. DeVito is a nice to have, but he can be upgraded and depth is never a bad thing at that position.

Sorter · 04-12-2013, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

The ability to play multiple techniques is exactly why Poe was drafted and DeVito was signed. Don't think of DeVito as a DE and OLB. He can play the five technique and also play more of a 4-3 tackle or the nose.

Poe isn't there but the talent is. He wasn't bad in the nose next year and he has tremendous ability to play the five tech too. Will he develop into that? Yet tobe seen. It's why I never understood the hate for the Poe pick. If he develops as planned, he is exactly the kind of player you need to beat the no huddle.

To the point of the thread, this pick would be fine with me. DeVito is a nice to have, but he can be upgraded and depth is never a bad thing at that position.

The problem with the Poe pick for me was the depth of the NT class this year and the fact Fletcher Cox was/is a much better pass rusher.

BlackHelicopters · 04-12-2013, 07:10 AM

Winning solves all.

O.city · 04-12-2013, 07:26 AM

I tell you to make more football threads as you do something like this.... ...........

And totally redeem yourself.

Damn it, Sheldon is my guy. He's got some attitude too. Love him to be the pick especially if we could trade down to 4

siberian khatru · 04-12-2013, 07:40 AM

I can't help but think he's Chester McGlockton -- a guy who's going to make some spectacular plays, but then disappear for stretches, and if things are going badly he's going to walk up to the opposing team's coach and say, "Yo, get me outta here."

04-12-2013, 12:09 AM
Sorter Caralho Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $9631474	**Official Draft Sheldon Richardson Thread I want Geno. If we aren't going to draft Geno, then I want the best available pass rushing interior player. Now, you might go "God ing dammit Sorter, you've gone full true fan on us wanting a DL!". Normally, I'd agree. However, the 3 tech is an absolutely vital position in today's NFL. Teams are being forced to run "sub" (which in the future, will become base) fronts due to the propensity to throw the ball and align in 3/4 wr sets. Additionally, the quality of TEs is encouraging more throws out of what looks like base personnel (2 TEs, etc). Having an interior rusher who consistently pushes the pocket on sub and more importantly base fronts is crucial. Personally, I'd rather have an interior rusher who struggles against the run but is explosive and active with his hand then most players. Interior players who can rush the passer are a very limited commodity. Quick, name them! Watt, Atkins, Tuck, Cox, Campbell, Jones, Suh. There are a few others you can throw in, ala Raji, but the number of effective interior pass rushers is significantly lower than the amount of OLBs/DEs.** We currently have absolutely nobody who can play the 3 tech effectively. I had very high hopes for Allen Bailey coming into last year, thinking that he'd be able to win 1-1s with RGs in subs and build on his production from his rookie year. He completely underwhelmed. Out of the available prospects, Richardson is the only one I've seen that is consistently explosive, uses his hands, gets a great "pop", has pass rushing moves, and is athletic enough to align in the 0/1 (although he isn't a NT), 2/3/4/5/7 tech and provide a pass rush. There are some character concerns and his interviews don't help him in that regard. He also struggles against the run and has a propensity to play high (which he gets by with due to his hand fighting skills). The last part is fairly common for most rookies playing DL. Again, I want Geno. However, having an interior player who gets upfield is a commodity every team wants but few truly have. Here are a few videos.
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2390208	I have nightmares thinking of the quick no-huddle teams we'll face this year, and how DeVito and Jackson won't be able to get off the field for a sub-out. Unless Poe learns how to breach through the hull, we'll be getting precisely zero pressure from our 3 linemen, which has been the case ever since we switched to the 3-4. Richardson would probably be the solution to that problem. Leave him on the field. Might get gashed once or twice, but at least QBs aren't going to have all day to throw if we don't want to send an extra guy like DJ or Berry on a blitz.
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04-12-2013, 12:35 AM	#7
Sorter Caralho Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $9631474	Personally, the Baylor film is intriguing to me. My philosophy on stopping the ZR is a combo of both 2 and 1 gap principles on your front, (see Pittsburgh v. Redskins) Effectively, you'd have one player who got upfield quickly, which would either A) Blow up the lead or IZ play, or B) Force the QB to take it himself. However, by keeping your DEs in 2-gap principles, you have an advantage. Additionally, you can create more confusion, such as utilizing this out of 5DB packages and running an IDB blitz. Just some thoughts from someone who had some Bombay tonight.
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LoneWolf Constable of Untruths Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $1761084	I think Poe will provide some pass rush from the NT position this year. With the change to a more attacking style defense, his initial quickness should be an asset. Plus he has a year of experience in the league. Richardson would provide some pass rush from the 3 tech, but would teams decide to run at him since stopping the run isn't his strong suit? IMO, Star could play either the 3 or 5 tech and provide some pass rush while not being a liability vs. the run. He's not the pass rusher that Richardson is, but I think he's the more complete player.
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04-12-2013, 07:40 AM	#15
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2574950	I can't help but think he's Chester McGlockton -- a guy who's going to make some spectacular plays, but then disappear for stretches, and if things are going badly he's going to walk up to the opposing team's coach and say, "Yo, get me outta here."
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