Most troubling quote regarding the playoff loss

[Chiefnj]

From Jo-Po's article:

"No one could have imagined it turning out exactly this way.

Well, maybe one guy imagined it.

“I wasn’t surprised,” Chiefs running back Larry Johnson grumbled. “I knew what was going to happen.”"

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Herm is supposed to be a great motivator. He's not an X's and O's guy. He doesn't call plays on game day. He's supposed to motivate his players. He's supposed to get them to believe.

11 moths ago Herm took LJ aside and told him during his first meeting that he was the man. He was going to get the carries he's been asking for, no controversy, no competing for the job - LJ is the man.

How sad is it that going into the playoff game the player that was going to carry the load, the most important player in Herm's offense, didn't believe his team was going to win. He knew the Chiefs were going to lose.

That is downright pathetic.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Disingenuous response. His question was more like "rank order the NFL coaches you'd like to play for", not "would you like to play in the NFL?"

Just doing my best in the face of a disingenuous question.

I make the point that grumbling about the gameplan after shitting the bed on the playing field is BS, and BD asks me if Herm is my favorite coach.

My point wasn't about whether I HEART Herm or not, it was about whining like bitches about things ostensibly out of their conrtrol AFTER getting schooled on the field, where they were the ones control.

And I'll hold to it, until someone points out where in the playbook Herm wrote up, 'TE drops pass to hands,' 'WR drops first down,' 'QB throws to receiver's feet,' 'QB throws to other team,' 'RB runs into back of line and falls down.'

THAT, I'd agree is a shitty game plan. Whose responsibility that game plan is, is not yet fully established, but I have my inklings.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by scott free

So you have to out-think them sometimes.

Witness all the 'trickery' in the NE/NYJ game...crap, KC would have been caught with 12 men on the field about 8 times in that game.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Putting that supposed "most troubling quote" in context:

From said article:

“Those guys have TVs,” Johnson said. “I’m sure they heard about it from their friends at dinner. … They have pride. They’re professionals. They stepped up. I knew that would happen.”

and

“We acted like we were playing against a bunch of dumdums,” Johnson said.

and

“I could say some things, but then people would say I was being a jerk,” he said. “So I’m just going to hold my tongue.” When told that Tony Gonzalez had called the offense predictable, Johnson smiled and said: “That’s Tony; he can get away with that. I can’t.”



LJ wants to win. Period. He didn't go into the game thinking we were going to lose.

This offense simply doesn't respect Herm at all and with good reason. Last few years we have been second in the league in total offense. This year the Ravens are rated higher. Looking back it's no wonder Roaf didn't want to come back.

[FAX]

Inkle away, Mr. Baby Lee.

I'm interested in your views. As has been mentioned, it's easy to envision the players in the huddle rolling their eyes when the next run up the center's buttocks play is called.

FAX

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

This offense simply doesn't respect Herm at all and with good reason. Last few years we have been second in the league in total offense. This year the Ravens are rated higher. Looking back it's no wonder Roaf didn't want to come back.

Is is a lack of respect, or having sand in the 'gina for not being the focal point of the team any longer?

I suspect a little of both......

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I make the point that grumbling about the gameplan after shitting the bed on the playing field is BS, and BD asks me if Herm is my favorite coach.

.

I never asked you if he was your favorite coach. What I am asking you you avoid.

I also agree with you that there is no excuse for dropping all those balls. Doesn't look to me like you're looking to agree about anything though.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

Witness all the 'trickery' in the NE/NYJ game...crap, KC would have been caught with 12 men on the field about 8 times in that game.

I didnt really watch much of that game, was too busy gnashing teeth & looking at next year on the Planet.

[Chiefnj]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Unlike that wildly unpredictible gameplan the jags unleashed on the Colts, run, run, run, run the backup, run the 3rd stringer, get 'em all 100 yards on the day, oh and run.

Couldn't be that they executed their gameplan better?

Exactly.

Take Indy's last 4 games. They won 2 and lost 2.

The games they lost were Jax and the Texans. Jax had 14 pass attempts and 42 rushing attempts. They didn't spread it out. They ran the ball and executed. The Texans had 42 rushing attempts and only 21 passing attempts. Again, they ran the ball almost twice as much as they threw it. Both teams ran it well.

The games that Indy lost were games where teams tried to pass. Cincy (who arguably has one of the best pass offenses in the league) had a 30:28 rush/pass split. Miami only ran 26 times and threw the ball 36 times.

The way to beat the Colts was on the ground. LJ was right - the Colts defensive players took their criticism to heart. They played with pride. The Chiefs offensive players didn't.

Herm talked about the importance of the first 5 minutes of the game. What happened in the Chiefs first 5 minutes? LJ run for zero yards. LJ run for 2 yards and a dropped 3rd down pass. They didn't even use up 5 minutes.

If you want to carry over some time, the Chiefs OPENED THE 2nd DRIVE WITH A PASS. Yes it's true, they passed it on first down. It was a short pass to Tony G, and was complete. (I'm sure those people bashing Green will contend it was a miraculous catch on a ball thrown 8 yards short, but a catch nonetheless). LJ got the ball on 2nd down and gained an amazing one yard.

Where was LJ's pride and professionalism?

I didn't start the thread to bash LJ, but IMHO he didn't give the best effort because he didn't believe in the scheme.

Herm has lost control and couldn't motivate the offense. That's not good because just as the D is showing some improvement, the offense needs a complete rebuild.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Is is a lack of respect, or having sand in the 'gina for not being the focal point of the team any longer?

I suspect a little of both......

I think it's about having the recipe for success. You have had it for years and now somebody comes along and wants change everything, why? Just fix the ****ing defense Herm. Predictability is a problem as well. When you and me and every armchair QB across the country can predict what plays are coming next you are going to have a problem.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Is is a lack of respect, or having sand in the 'gina for not being the focal point of the team any longer?

I suspect a little of both......

what has Herm done to earn any respect in the NFL?


I cant see on thing or decision this year for the Chiefs that would warrant respect.

What I see is a guy that is a pompus ass, Herm thinks he is so much better than everyone, thinks he is smarter and it is his way or the highway...

I for one think our coach is the one that needs an attitude adjustment. He has done shit and won shit in the NFL... Nobody can respect that.

[KCJohnny]

Everybody in the universe knew our game plan. I could tell on the first play of the game our O had ZERO confidence.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Everybody in the universe knew our game plan. I could tell on the first play of the game our O had ZERO confidence.

It has never been a mystery what this team was trying to do. It hasn't mattered when we executed.

The other teams knew our game plan in our 9 wins.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I never asked you if he was your favorite coach. What I am asking you you avoid.

I also agree with you that there is no excuse for dropping all those balls. Doesn't look to me like you're looking to agree about anything though.

So what's the question? If I were an O player under Herm would I be excited, would I beleive.

Well first off, I'd be greatly relieved to finally know that whatever I worked my ass off to accomplish wouldn't be given away 30 seconds later by the D.

Second, I'd believe in the team and concentrate on performing my job duties to perfection.

Third, if I had any reservations, I'd either dispute them with the coaching staff, or give them an opportunity to convince me. And once I made the decision to take the field under them, I'd never lay any of my own failures off on them.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Exactly.

Take Indy's last 4 games. They won 2 and lost 2.

The games they lost were Jax and the Texans. Jax had 14 pass attempts and 42 rushing attempts. They didn't spread it out. They ran the ball and executed. The Texans had 42 rushing attempts and only 21 passing attempts. Again, they ran the ball almost twice as much as they threw it. Both teams ran it well.

The games that Indy lost were games where teams tried to pass. Cincy (who arguably has one of the best pass offenses in the league) had a 30:28 rush/pass split. Miami only ran 26 times and threw the ball 36 times.

The way to beat the Colts was on the ground. LJ was right - the Colts defensive players took their criticism to heart. They played with pride. The Chiefs offensive players didn't.

Herm talked about the importance of the first 5 minutes of the game. What happened in the Chiefs first 5 minutes? LJ run for zero yards. LJ run for 2 yards and a dropped 3rd down pass. They didn't even use up 5 minutes.

If you want to carry over some time, the Chiefs OPENED THE 2nd DRIVE WITH A PASS. Yes it's true, they passed it on first down. It was a short pass to Tony G, and was complete. (I'm sure those people bashing Green will contend it was a miraculous catch on a ball thrown 8 yards short, but a catch nonetheless). LJ got the ball on 2nd down and gained an amazing one yard.

Where was LJ's pride and professionalism?

I didn't start the thread to bash LJ, but IMHO he didn't give the best effort because he didn't believe in the scheme.

Herm has lost control and couldn't motivate the offense. That's not good because just as the D is showing some improvement, the offense needs a complete rebuild.

D played a pretty good game which is a credit to Herm. I just wish he hadn't tried to completely change the O.

[Baby Lee]

I do have place the blame firmly on Herm for writing up the ill-conceived 'have the O-lineman stomp on the QB's foot on goal-to-go' play.

Any idiot could see that wasn't gonna pay big dividends.