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Greinke Brawls..breaks collarbone

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The Los Angeles Dodgers won the game Thursday night against the San Diego Padres, but their pennant hopes certainly took a hit.

Dodgers starter Zack Greinke fractured his left collarbone in a bench-clearing brawl during the Dodgers' 3-2 victory over the Padres at Petco Park, prompting enraged Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp to confront Padres left fielder Carlos Quentin in the clubhouse tunnel after the game.

Padres starter Clayton Richard and security guards intervened before another fight ensued.

The brawl started when Quentin was hit in the shoulder by Greinke's pitch in the sixth inning. He took several steps towards the mound with his bat, dropped it, and charged Greinke. It was the second time in four years that Greinke hit Quentin, but Quentin was intercepted by Kansas City Royals catcher Miguel Olivo and home-plate umpire Bill Hohn back on April 9, 2009, when Greinke pitched for the Royals and Quentin played for the Chicago White Sox.

This time, no one held anyone back, with Greinke, Kemp and Jerry Hairston ejected from the Dodgers, along with Quentin.

The biggest losers, of course, were the Dodgers, with Greinke sidelined for an indefinite period. He's scheduled to see Los Angles physician Neal ElAttrache on Friday. Greinke signed a six-year, $147 million free-agent contract during the winter.

"My teammate now has a broken f------ collarbone,'' Hairston told reporters. "Excuse my language, but that's unbelievable.''

Said Quentin: "It's unfortunate. It could have been avoided. You can ask Zack about that.

"For me, I've been hit by many pitches in my career. I think you guys know that. I can tell you I've never responded in that fashion, so you guys can do your homework on that. For me, the situation is done. That's it.''

Quentin was most infuriated, he told reporters, by what Greinke told him after he was hit.

"That was the final straw,'' he said.

Kemp, enraged by the incident, met face to face with Quentin in the hallway after the game at Petco Park. He followed Quentin into the parking lot and saying: "We'll see, b----,'' according to the Los Angeles Times.

"That's terrible for him to charge the mound like that,'' Kemp told reporters. "I think Carlos Quentin went to Stanford. I heard there's some smart people at Stanford. That wasn't too smart.''

Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said that Quentin shouldn't be permitted to play another game until Greinke can pitch.

"We're in a 2-1 game and on a 3-2 pitch to a guy that I see on the [score]board set a record for the Padres by getting hit, a guy who basically dives into the plate,'' Mattingly said, according to the MLB.com report. "In a 2-1 game, we're trying to hit him, 3-2?

"It's just stupid is what it is. He should not play a game until Greinke can pitch. If he plays before Greinke pitches, something is wrong.''

Said Greinke: "The only thing I'm going to say about the whole thing that happened there is I've never hit him on purpose. I never thought of hitting him on purpose.''

Quentin has long been a magnet for pitches. In 2004, he set a minor league record by getting plunked 43 times, and he led the major leagues the past two seasons, getting hit 23 times in 2011 and 17 times last year, even though he played just 86 games.

Greinke told reporters he thought Quentin's umbrage in reacting to getting hit by pitches was "a ploy" to intimidate pitchers.

"I figured he was trying to intimidate pitchers so they wouldn't throw inside,' he said.

The Dodgers and Padres play again Monday, this time, in Los Angeles at Dodger Stadium on Jackie Robinson Day.



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Old 04-12-2013, 05:45 PM   #211
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If I were Don Mattingly I'd start my worst pitcher the next time the Dodgers play the Padres, and that guy's job would be to put the ball in Quentin's ear.
usually they'd target the absolute stud on the Padres the next time around

problem is

they don't have anyone that is worth a shit on offense

or pitching really

that team sucks

I guess they can wait until Headley is back and plunk the shit out of him and Quentin...if Mattingly has any dignity whatsoever he will retalliate

the problem is, San Diego doesn't really have anything to lose so if I'm Kemp I'm probably like "hey lets stop throwing at their hitters ok?"
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Greinke isn't going to get fined a dime or suspended an out...the idea that that is even in play is absurd.

It'll be pretty hilarious when the suspensions are handed out and Quentin gets at least 8 games and Greinke gets nothing...

then all of the dipshits in this thread will really have nothing else to go on other than the "hey I'm a dipshit, dipshit...dipshit! dipshit! dipshit! and I don't watch baseball and don't understand the game either"...
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Yeah he "nailed it" because what that spiteful little shit has to say is the gospel. Do your own thinking...or is that too complex?





Carlos Quentin and Zack Greinke have a history.

To fully understand what happened Thursday night at Petco Park, you have to know the history.

“This was more about a personal relationship,” Padres manager Bud Black said Friday as he reflected on the two brawls that erupted in the bottom of the sixth Thursday night after the Dodgers’ Greinke hit Quentin with a pitch.

Quentin rushed the pitcher. In the ensuing melee, Greinke, who lowered his shoulder to block the charging Quentin, suffered a fracture to his left collarbone and is out for an estimated eight weeks.

Quentin was hit with an eight-game suspension Friday night from Major League Baseball. He and Dodgers infielder Jerry Hairston Jr., who got a one-game suspension, will both appeal their suspensions and won’t start serving the suspension until after MLB hears his appeal. Greinke was not suspended and MLB is still reviewing the case of Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp, who also confronted Quentin as the two were leaving the ballpark through the same exit.

Quentin critics, and they were voicing their opinions from every corner of the nation Friday, say the Padres left fielder overreacted. Why would Greinke hit the lead-off hitter with a full-count pitch while protecting a one-run lead in the sixth?

Good point.

But one of the things that earned Greinke a six-year, $147 million contract with the Dodgers last winter is his pinpoint control. When he hit Quentin high on his shoulder, Dodgers catcher A.J. Ellis was set up for a pitch low-and-away. Could Greinke possibly have missed by that much?

Since 2008, Greinke has hit 17 hitters. Three of those were Quentin, who also has three homers in 26 at-bats against Greinke. Coincidence? Greinke has hit Quentin once every 10 plate appearances. His average against everyone else – once every 235 plate appearances.

Quentin does crowd the plate. He waits to the last possible micro-second to give up on a pitch, then he turns his body rather than jumping out of the way. He has been hit 116 times in his major league career. But Thursday was the first time he rushed the mound.

“I understand why I get hit,” Quentin said Friday afternoon in the Padres clubhouse. I understand my approach. I never felt someone was intentionally throwing at me before 2009.”

And that someone happened to be Greinke in a game between the pitcher’s Kansas City Royals and Quentin’s White Sox. Quentin Friday asked everyone to review the tape of that at-bat before passing judgment.

“The first pitch was over my head,” said Quentin of the 2009 incident. “The next pitch was at my face and caught my shoulder when I turned.”

Fast forward to Thursday night. Quentin did step to the front of the plate and stared down Greinke. He said his charge started after Greinke said something “that started with an expletive.”

“I felt I had to protect myself,” said Quentin. “It was an unfortunate situation. I understand someone got hurt. I didn’t go out there until I was provoked.”

Black admitted he was surprised the incident happened. He wasn’t alone.

During the first melee, rival catchers Nick Hundley and A.J. Ellis wound up standing next to each other. “I asked A.J. if he knew what happened,” said Hundley. “He had no idea. I had no idea of the history.”

Mark Kotsay did. He was Quentin’s teammate with the White Sox in 2009. “I knew there was tension,” said Kotsay. “It boiled over. As a hitter, there’s no defense to a ball coming at you at 90 mph.”

This is not the first time something like this happened. Eleven years ago, a major spring training brawl erupted between the Angels and Padres in spring training when Angels pitcher Aaron Sele hit Ryan Klesko in retaliation for a five-year-old home run trot. Andre Dawson once charged Eric Show.

And then there was the spring training brawl between the Padres and Rockies in Tucson in 1998. The benches cleared after Sterling Hitchcock hit two Rockies, including Larry Walker, who had a feud with a former teammate of then Padres pitching coach Dave Stewart.
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Yeah he "nailed it" because what that spiteful little shit has to say is the gospel. Do your own thinking...or is that too complex?





Carlos Quentin and Zack Greinke have a history.

To fully understand what happened Thursday night at Petco Park, you have to know the history.

“This was more about a personal relationship,” Padres manager Bud Black said Friday as he reflected on the two brawls that erupted in the bottom of the sixth Thursday night after the Dodgers’ Greinke hit Quentin with a pitch.

Quentin rushed the pitcher. In the ensuing melee, Greinke, who lowered his shoulder to block the charging Quentin, suffered a fracture to his left collarbone and is out for an estimated eight weeks.

Quentin was hit with an eight-game suspension Friday night from Major League Baseball. He and Dodgers infielder Jerry Hairston Jr., who got a one-game suspension, will both appeal their suspensions and won’t start serving the suspension until after MLB hears his appeal. Greinke was not suspended and MLB is still reviewing the case of Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp, who also confronted Quentin as the two were leaving the ballpark through the same exit.

Quentin critics, and they were voicing their opinions from every corner of the nation Friday, say the Padres left fielder overreacted. Why would Greinke hit the lead-off hitter with a full-count pitch while protecting a one-run lead in the sixth?

Good point.

But one of the things that earned Greinke a six-year, $147 million contract with the Dodgers last winter is his pinpoint control. When he hit Quentin high on his shoulder, Dodgers catcher A.J. Ellis was set up for a pitch low-and-away. Could Greinke possibly have missed by that much?

Since 2008, Greinke has hit 17 hitters. Three of those were Quentin, who also has three homers in 26 at-bats against Greinke. Coincidence? Greinke has hit Quentin once every 10 plate appearances. His average against everyone else – once every 235 plate appearances.

Quentin does crowd the plate. He waits to the last possible micro-second to give up on a pitch, then he turns his body rather than jumping out of the way. He has been hit 116 times in his major league career. But Thursday was the first time he rushed the mound.

“I understand why I get hit,” Quentin said Friday afternoon in the Padres clubhouse. I understand my approach. I never felt someone was intentionally throwing at me before 2009.”

And that someone happened to be Greinke in a game between the pitcher’s Kansas City Royals and Quentin’s White Sox. Quentin Friday asked everyone to review the tape of that at-bat before passing judgment.

“The first pitch was over my head,” said Quentin of the 2009 incident. “The next pitch was at my face and caught my shoulder when I turned.”

Fast forward to Thursday night. Quentin did step to the front of the plate and stared down Greinke. He said his charge started after Greinke said something “that started with an expletive.”

“I felt I had to protect myself,” said Quentin. “It was an unfortunate situation. I understand someone got hurt. I didn’t go out there until I was provoked.”

Black admitted he was surprised the incident happened. He wasn’t alone.

During the first melee, rival catchers Nick Hundley and A.J. Ellis wound up standing next to each other. “I asked A.J. if he knew what happened,” said Hundley. “He had no idea. I had no idea of the history.”

Mark Kotsay did. He was Quentin’s teammate with the White Sox in 2009. “I knew there was tension,” said Kotsay. “It boiled over. As a hitter, there’s no defense to a ball coming at you at 90 mph.”

This is not the first time something like this happened. Eleven years ago, a major spring training brawl erupted between the Angels and Padres in spring training when Angels pitcher Aaron Sele hit Ryan Klesko in retaliation for a five-year-old home run trot. Andre Dawson once charged Eric Show.

And then there was the spring training brawl between the Padres and Rockies in Tucson in 1998. The benches cleared after Sterling Hitchcock hit two Rockies, including Larry Walker, who had a feud with a former teammate of then Padres pitching coach Dave Stewart.
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Anyone who thinks that was intentional didn't play baseball past grade school...
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Old 04-13-2013, 05:46 AM   #220
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It doesn't matter if he was crowding the plate or not. Shit, it doesn't even matter if it really was on purpose (it wasn't)...the context of the particular game made the charging absurd and I expect Quentin to get, at the very least, 10 games
Yup. It's not even an argument.

There is nothing illegal about throwing up and in. The minute you make it illegal, you take away an entire part of the plate and pitchers' only choice is to throw outside. Nobody wants that.

If a pitcher wants to intentionally hit a guy, he will typically try to peg the guy in the lower back, and it will usually be thrown either behind the hitter or way inside.
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Greinke isn't going to get fined a dime or suspended an out...the idea that that is even in play is absurd.

It'll be pretty hilarious when the suspensions are handed out and Quentin gets at least 8 games and Greinke gets nothing...

then all of the dipshits in this thread will really have nothing else to go on other than the "hey I'm a dipshit, dipshit...dipshit! dipshit! dipshit! and I don't watch baseball and don't understand the game either"...


Nolan Ryan, I believe, was not suspended. Ventura was.

That tells you what will probably happen here.
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LOL, Zach was still "awarded" a broken collar bone by the Karma fairy, so it's cool..

And as I see the schedule, if there's no appeal, Quentin could be back 4/23. OK!! We'll se when Zach does.

And even though the big ****ing PUSSY (and not much of a fighting man!) Zach is in the NL, perhaps it's time for all of baseball to put pitchers next to the plate (WITH A MANDATE FOR THEIR PITCHING ARM TOWARDS THE MOUND!!!) to add an interesting twist to the whole plunking and retaliation game.
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LOL, Zach was still "awarded" a broken collar bone by the Karma fairy, so it's cool..

And as I see the schedule, if there's no appeal, Quentin could be back 4/23. OK!! We'll se when Zach does.
That is exactly the problem. And it's why I doubt the MLB lets Quentin off light.

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So it's okay for a hitter to crowd the plate and force the pitcher to throw only outside pitches. The system works fine. If anything, the system is too tough on pitchers. If you throw behind a hitter, you get tossed. If you throw inside, you're trying to establish position and if a hitter wants to crowd the plate, he should expect the pitcher to brush him off. I don't want a baseball league where a pitcher is afraid to move a guy off the plate. If the MLB isn't going to enforce batters crowding the plate, then that's the pitcher's job.
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Yeah he "nailed it" because what that spiteful little shit has to say is the gospel. Do your own thinking...or is that too complex?





Carlos Quentin and Zack Greinke have a history.

To fully understand what happened Thursday night at Petco Park, you have to know the history.

“This was more about a personal relationship,” Padres manager Bud Black said Friday as he reflected on the two brawls that erupted in the bottom of the sixth Thursday night after the Dodgers’ Greinke hit Quentin with a pitch.

Quentin rushed the pitcher. In the ensuing melee, Greinke, who lowered his shoulder to block the charging Quentin, suffered a fracture to his left collarbone and is out for an estimated eight weeks.

Quentin was hit with an eight-game suspension Friday night from Major League Baseball. He and Dodgers infielder Jerry Hairston Jr., who got a one-game suspension, will both appeal their suspensions and won’t start serving the suspension until after MLB hears his appeal. Greinke was not suspended and MLB is still reviewing the case of Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp, who also confronted Quentin as the two were leaving the ballpark through the same exit.

Quentin critics, and they were voicing their opinions from every corner of the nation Friday, say the Padres left fielder overreacted. Why would Greinke hit the lead-off hitter with a full-count pitch while protecting a one-run lead in the sixth?

Good point.

But one of the things that earned Greinke a six-year, $147 million contract with the Dodgers last winter is his pinpoint control. When he hit Quentin high on his shoulder, Dodgers catcher A.J. Ellis was set up for a pitch low-and-away. Could Greinke possibly have missed by that much?

Since 2008, Greinke has hit 17 hitters. Three of those were Quentin, who also has three homers in 26 at-bats against Greinke. Coincidence? Greinke has hit Quentin once every 10 plate appearances. His average against everyone else – once every 235 plate appearances.

Quentin does crowd the plate. He waits to the last possible micro-second to give up on a pitch, then he turns his body rather than jumping out of the way. He has been hit 116 times in his major league career. But Thursday was the first time he rushed the mound.

“I understand why I get hit,” Quentin said Friday afternoon in the Padres clubhouse. I understand my approach. I never felt someone was intentionally throwing at me before 2009.”

And that someone happened to be Greinke in a game between the pitcher’s Kansas City Royals and Quentin’s White Sox. Quentin Friday asked everyone to review the tape of that at-bat before passing judgment.

“The first pitch was over my head,” said Quentin of the 2009 incident. “The next pitch was at my face and caught my shoulder when I turned.”

Fast forward to Thursday night. Quentin did step to the front of the plate and stared down Greinke. He said his charge started after Greinke said something “that started with an expletive.”

“I felt I had to protect myself,” said Quentin. “It was an unfortunate situation. I understand someone got hurt. I didn’t go out there until I was provoked.”

Black admitted he was surprised the incident happened. He wasn’t alone.

During the first melee, rival catchers Nick Hundley and A.J. Ellis wound up standing next to each other. “I asked A.J. if he knew what happened,” said Hundley. “He had no idea. I had no idea of the history.”

Mark Kotsay did. He was Quentin’s teammate with the White Sox in 2009. “I knew there was tension,” said Kotsay. “It boiled over. As a hitter, there’s no defense to a ball coming at you at 90 mph.”

This is not the first time something like this happened. Eleven years ago, a major spring training brawl erupted between the Angels and Padres in spring training when Angels pitcher Aaron Sele hit Ryan Klesko in retaliation for a five-year-old home run trot. Andre Dawson once charged Eric Show.

And then there was the spring training brawl between the Padres and Rockies in Tucson in 1998. The benches cleared after Sterling Hitchcock hit two Rockies, including Larry Walker, who had a feud with a former teammate of then Padres pitching coach Dave Stewart.
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That is exactly the problem. And it's why I doubt the MLB lets Quentin off light.


So it's okay for a hitter to crowd the plate and force the pitcher to throw only outside pitches. The system works fine. If anything, the system is too tough on pitchers. If you throw behind a hitter, you get tossed. If you throw inside, you're trying to establish position and if a hitter wants to crowd the plate, he should expect the pitcher to brush him off. I don't want a baseball league where a pitcher is afraid to move a guy off the plate. If the MLB isn't going to enforce batters crowding the plate, then that's the pitcher's job.
I've never felt sorry for folks who crowd the plate. hell, I even said it last night against OUR team. While there are always a few exceptions, I think folks know who's doing what and why. And I'm OK with plunks as long as the plunkers have to add some skin to the game within the game.

That being said, anytime Zach gets his ass mauled, it's a good day for the planet. Never a more deserving Mamma's-boy paying-up to Karma! **** him, I hope somebody breaks his pussy-ass jaw upon his return - just for looking at him... Zach's Mom still has two tits for him to cry into (some more)!
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