Baby kidnapped from home in KC

[Iowanian]

How is this not a topic of discussion on a KC message board?

[Dr. Gigglepants]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

If the parents were innocent, they wouldn't care if the police accused them. I can understand being pissed off, but if my kid were missing, I'd answer any question they asked and I'd do it as many times as they asked because the truth doesn't change.

but their stories have changed, hmmm, wonder why that is.
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[Deberg_1990]

interesting theories......If she dumped the body into the Missouri, wouldnt it eventually washup somewhere or no?





http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/201...ce-to-joe.html



The defense attorney from Kansas City representing Baby Lisa's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, told media that the FBI gave him and Joe Tacopina a 30 minute "power point" presentation showing that three calls were made from the parents' cell phones at 11:57PM, and near 3:30AM.


Why would the FBI reveal critical evidence that points to the mother's direct involvement to criminal defense attorneys in a case where no one has been charged, or even named as a suspect?


This is puzzling.


It may be that the FBI thought that this damning evidence would provoke the attorneys into getting Deborah Bradley to make a deal: come clean about what happened to Lisa, reveal the location of her remains, in exchange for a reduced sentence.


The cell phone pings, for almost 4 hours, came from the vicinity of the home, and debunk the defense's claim that a stranger abducted Lisa. A kidnapper would have had to hang around the backyard for 4 hours, keep a baby fed and quiet. Not only this, but two calls are reported to have been to retrieve voice mail; something that wouldn't be done with "stolen" phones, as the kidnapper would not have the PIN to retrieve messages. Showing the two attorneys how damning this evidence is, especially if they were sticking to the intruder defense, the FBI likely did not expect the attorney to take such powerful evidence and report to media that they now had evidence "proving" their clients' "innocence", taking a page out of the playbook of Nazi propaganda minister, Joseph Goebells.


Was this a critical error on the part of the FBI?


Do investigators fear Tacopina?


The other school of thought is that this was a brilliant strategic move by the FBI, to bully the attorneys into acknowledging that no kidnapper did this.


Judging by the reaction, the defense does not appear intimidated.


The balance of power shifts, however, as the American perception of Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin may dictate just how much value is in this investment of time by Tacopina. As sympathetic 'victims' of an 'overly aggressive and suspicious' police, he could have played them in the David versus Goliath role, as America loves an underdog. Unfortunately for Tacopina, Bradley's changing stories, failed polygraph and admission of drinking played against her, as she has been viewed as a selfish, neglectful mother and now a gold digger, in bed with national media for the money. This is not something he can sell with great success.


Tacopina came on the scene just as police appeared to be close to solving this case. I believe that a confession by one or the other (likely Irwin) was imminent and may have come after an arrest, as police appeared (at that time) to keep everything close to the vest; saying little, but appearing confident. Now we learn that the FBI shared critical information with attorneys who should have had no say or business in the case, whatsoever, since there are no named Suspects nor Persons of Interest.


What gives here?


Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley are now moving back into the home they left. The family that reported having cell phones turned off for non-payment have not had a paycheck in 5 weeks.


How are they paying for a $750 per hour attorney? How are they paying for a private investigator?


How are they paying for food?


If Tacopina sold their interviews to major networks (Good Morning America, ABC, has had the most access to his clients), he likely made a large initial profit, and threw the parents enough money to get them to cooperate, but given the anger of the nation, will he keep them on his purse strings?


Tacopina would have been able to go to the parents and assure them, 'The FBI got nothing. Nothing. Look how they called us in with this power point thing. They got nothing on you.' This, along with money, could have strengthened their resolve not to give up Baby Lisa's body and emboldened them to ignore police requests for separate interviews.


There is also the Casey Anthony Effect where, outside of either a confession or a CSI like video tape of the murder, there is now an expectation that killers will get away with murder, which can strengthen the resistance of the guilty.


Where justice is delayed, evil becomes emboldened.


The local Kansas City attorney sent a collective chill down the spine of America when he spoke of the vicinity of the cell phone pings and introduced something none of us wanted to hear: the Missouri River.


What would happen to a tiny body thrown into the Missouri River? How difficult would it be to recover it?


Why did the FBI show critical evidence to the defense attorneys? How does local Law Enforcement feel about this?


Is it a brilliant strategic move, or an indication of weakness in the case?

[bevischief]

[QUOTE=Deberg_1990;8115378]interesting theories......If she dumped the body into the Missouri, wouldnt it eventually washup somewhere or no?


The current of the Missouri is under the surface of the water from all the drudging that was done to allow barge traffic on the river. So she may never be found. They are predicting another repeat of the flooding as this year for next year.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by KurtCobain

Are we convinced mommy did it?

I wasn't but I am now.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

The cell phone pings, for almost 4 hours, came from the vicinity of the home, and debunk the defense's claim that a stranger abducted Lisa. A kidnapper would have had to hang around the backyard for 4 hours, keep a baby fed and quiet. Not only this, but two calls are reported to have been to retrieve voice mail; something that wouldn't be done with "stolen" phones, as the kidnapper would not have the PIN to retrieve messages.

[kstater]

I'm still sticking to the theory that the defense is throwing enough shit against the wall in the media to create reasonable doubt.

[ForeverChiefs58]

BTW not that it matters, but John Picerno was my teacher at Lee's Summit HS for a current events class.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by bevischief

The phone companies can tell you what cell sites and locations the calls came from but they cannot tell you what was said during the call and who owns the phones.

Unless a previous warrant was issued to wiretap. And most contract phones show owner.

A fyi to prepaid. A good lot of you are wiretapped. When I was at sprint we were doin 1000s a month for leo. If the # you aquired was involved in a drugdeal before, most leos will court order a large date range or(forgot the word) far in the future.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

BTW not that it matters, but John Picerno was my teacher at Lee's Summit HS for a current events class.

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[Valiant]

[QUOTE=bevischief;8115700]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

interesting theories......If she dumped the body into the Missouri, wouldnt it eventually washup somewhere or no?


The current of the Missouri is under the surface of the water from all the drudging that was done to allow barge traffic on the river. So she may never be found. They are predicting another repeat of the flooding as this year for next year.

I would figure a baby that size would decompose to almost nothing in the current or be eaten by something where you will not find any remains. I would hope the police checked all cameras timelines from 6 til 6 leading from the house. If there were any available.

[Huffmeister]

Originally Posted by Valiant

A fyi to prepaid. A good lot of you are wiretapped. When I was at sprint we were doin 1000s a month for leo.

Leonardo DiCaprio could be listening in on my calls? Wow, he really got into that J. Edgar Hoover role.

[bevischief]

[QUOTE=Valiant;8116220]

Originally Posted by bevischief

I would figure a baby that size would decompose to almost nothing in the current or be eaten by something where you will not find any remains. I would hope the police checked all cameras timelines from 6 til 6 leading from the house. If there were any available.

The Asian Carp eat just about everything...

[HonestChieffan]

Turtles and catfish and crawdads will have it gone in no time.

[Deberg_1990]

[QUOTE=Valiant;8116220]

Originally Posted by bevischief

I would figure a baby that size would decompose to almost nothing in the current or be eaten by something where you will not find any remains. I would hope the police checked all cameras timelines from 6 til 6 leading from the house. If there were any available.

Then it looks like we have another Casey Anthony then.
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[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Huffmeister

Leonardo DiCaprio could be listening in on my calls? Wow, he really got into that J. Edgar Hoover role.

Nice.

[evenfall]

[QUOTE=Deberg_1990;8116401]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Then it looks like we have another Casey Anthony then.
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People laughed at me for making that comparison, but Anthony proved that you don't have to hide a body, you just need to keep it out of sight long enough for sufficient decomposition.