Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 446

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Great Expectations · 07-07-2013, 04:53 PM

Replacing Mendoza and Davis with Duffy and Paulino would be a nice start

Tytanium · 07-07-2013, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

What the hell happened to Butler this year?

He's getting pitched around and he isn't strong enough to hit home runs consistently, or fast enough to hit triples. Billy seriously needs to hit the weight room hard or start juicing because he doesn't have a place on this team if he can't hit homers. You can't be that fat and slow if you can't compensate by hitting it out of the park more often.

**ChiTown** · 07-07-2013, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations

Replacing Mendoza and Davis with Duffy and Paulino would be a nice start

Duffy has not had a good return thus far. Dude is getting roughed up in Omaha.

He has a 7+ ERA as a starter in Omaha. Pitched a nice scoreless 5 inning stint as a reliever, but starting......not so good.

It's early, but it would be nicer to see him playing at a higher level in AAA.

BigCatDaddy · 07-07-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations

Replacing Mendoza and Davis with Duffy and Paulino would be a nice start

Will Smith will likely be the next guy that gets a shot.

Brianfo · 07-07-2013, 06:53 PM

Billy Butler is the biggest disappointment on this team this year. We all knew Gordon would be Gordon and the kids would struggle, but Billay has been a huge disappointment. But hey, everytime someone gets a great hit, they show the Butler "hit it a tone" BBQ sauce. I have yet to see Butler hold that up for the camera. I am all in with Gordon, and I was hard on him when he came up. Butler not so much. An unathletic DH (not gonnal call him fat) making that kind of coin with no pop has no place on this team.

I would trade his ass if I could get anything of importance, but that's not happening. He needs to hit. Starting yesterday. Putting him in the 3/4 hole everyday is getting old. Everytime they hold up the "hit it a ton" BBQ sauce I lmao. Billay should feel like a shmuck.

Flame away. You know it's the truth.

**penguinz** · 07-07-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianfo

Billy Butler is the biggest disappointment on this team this year. We all knew Gordon would be Gordon and the kids would struggle, but Billay has been a huge disappointment. But hey, everytime someone gets a great hit, they show the Butler "hit it a tone" BBQ sauce. I have yet to see Butler hold that up for the camera. I am all in with Gordon, and I was hard on him when he came up. Butler not so much. An unathletic DH (not gonnal call him fat) making that kind of coin with no pop has no place on this team.

I would trade his ass if I could get anything of importance, but that's not happening. He needs to hit. Starting yesterday. Putting him in the 3/4 hole everyday is getting old. Everytime they hold up the "hit it a ton" BBQ sauce I lmao. Billay should feel like a shmuck.

Flame away. You know it's the truth.

I never understood the hype of BB. The BBQ sauce is freaking ignorant.

Demonpenz · 07-07-2013, 07:54 PM

Billy is having a down year. Still going to drive in 100.

**gblowfish** · 07-07-2013, 07:55 PM

The BBQ sauce raises money for the Bishop Sullivan Center. Billy gives back. I admire him for that.

tk13 · 07-07-2013, 07:57 PM

Is every thread going to devolve into a bash Billy Butler session? What a waste of time.

Demonpenz · 07-07-2013, 07:58 PM

10th in on base and 8th in the league in walks.

AndChiefs · 07-07-2013, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Is every thread going to devolve into a bash Billy Butler session? What a waste of time.

Every thread devolves into a bash someone session. It's just Billy Butler right now.

TambaBerry · 07-07-2013, 08:02 PM

its bash billy because he had freaking 29 home runs last season, if he was hitting like that we would have won a lot more games.

Nightfyre · 07-07-2013, 08:04 PM

It's a Billy Bash? I mean, the dude is struggling, but it's simply because we have no one to protect him and he has had to expand his zone.

**lewdog** · 07-07-2013, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tambaberry

its bash billy because he had freaking 29 home runs last season, if he was hitting like that we would have won a lot more games.

And if he had any protection in the lineup from any of the other turds who were supposed to have power, things might be different. They aren't. Our power at the plate is pathetic.

Three7s · 07-07-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

It's a Billy Bash? I mean, the dude is struggling, but it's simply because we have no one to protect him and he has had to expand his zone.

Because he had tons of protection last year.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1800308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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07-07-2013, 04:53 PM	#6676
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07-07-2013, 06:53 PM	#6680
Brianfo Veteran Join Date: Apr 2002 Casino cash: $10004900	Billy Butler is the biggest disappointment on this team this year. We all knew Gordon would be Gordon and the kids would struggle, but Billay has been a huge disappointment. But hey, everytime someone gets a great hit, they show the Butler "hit it a tone" BBQ sauce. I have yet to see Butler hold that up for the camera. I am all in with Gordon, and I was hard on him when he came up. Butler not so much. An unathletic DH (not gonnal call him fat) making that kind of coin with no pop has no place on this team. I would trade his ass if I could get anything of importance, but that's not happening. He needs to hit. Starting yesterday. Putting him in the 3/4 hole everyday is getting old. Everytime they hold up the "hit it a ton" BBQ sauce I lmao. Billay should feel like a shmuck. Flame away. You know it's the truth.
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07-07-2013, 07:55 PM	#6683
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07-07-2013, 07:57 PM	#6684
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