NBA Offseason thread 2013 edition

[Al Bundy]

Looks the Warriors are dumping Biedrins and Jefferson in a salary dump to Utah

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by -King-

The guy has a disorder the rest of the league don't have. You'd think people hiring him would want to know what went with that and not assume he'll be just like everybody else.

So he wants full pay to play home games and games he can drive to?

Look I'm probably more in tune with dealing with people with disabilities and the different needs than most here, but you can't expect them to be able to do all the same things as someone without the disabilities db's definitely can't expect then to get the same pay with half the work
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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

To be fair, Dwight's coaching in Houston will be Olajuwan and McHale, two of the best five post players offensively of the past 30 years.

The Houston Rockets drive me crazy. They are building their team like an amusement park. There's no plan except to sign every big name they can. Even though I hated Miami's big three thing, at least they were smart for how they built around the superstars and looked like they had a plan.

The fact that they acquired Harden after they paid Lin way too much money (even though they're the same type of player) and Howard to replace Asik (making Asik an unbelievably expensive guy to play scrap minutes) makes me not want to root for the team. Nevermind that Howard was a douche in the way he handled himself.

[mcaj22]

we are talking about a guy that was on Calipari's radar to transfer to Kentucky, the day of the signing, shit his pants with one of his attacks and refused to get on the plane to sign, and thus never did.

The talent was always there, but essentially if he doesnt love basketball, he did enough to collect a nice million dollar per rookie contract being selected 16th. its not like he is some 2nd round flyer. The dude went 16th overall and a little more effort would have easily been top 10/top 5.

Right now he looks like an expiring contract more than anything, if he continues to be how he is, he will be off the 76ers books next year and he will be out of the league, as no team will sign him for a 2nd contract and waste cap space on him. It's really up to him if he wants to keep getting paid or not

I'm a Sixers fan, I think he would be a good pairing to platoon with Thad Young and Nerlens Noel. That's a good set of skill sets for the team to build around, but I am not getting my hopes up he is going to pan out, other than wondering how they are going to approach him. The 6ers are clearly tanking this season, so the fans will need something to talk about and the Royce White circus will be of the major topics I'm sure. Just like Bynum not playing was this passed season, only difference is we didnt give up the best veteran on the team (Iggy) and two good young prospects for him that caused the team to be blown up

[RustShack]

I really wouldn't be surprised at all for him to play in Philly, and play very well.

[RustShack]

He never played for Minnesota either before transferring to ISU.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by -King-

The guy has a disorder the rest of the league don't have. You'd think people hiring him would want to know what went with that and not assume he'll be just like everybody else.

This is the fourth major move the Rockets have made in the last 4 years where they've re-evaluated.

They drafted Jeremy Lamb with 1.12 then traded him for a much more expensive Harden. They gave Jeremy Lin a mega contract then brought in Harden (the two are a bad mismatch for each other). They signed Asik to a mega contract then realized he wasn't as good as advertised and now are paying him a shitload of money to do virtually nothing. They drafted Royce White with no care in the world about his history.

The Sixers are fine. Like Oden, they'll gamble with White and if it doesn't work, who cares. But the Rockets... wow. They make so many of these big splash moves and then backtrack. They don't have any kind of a plan.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

To be fair, Dwight's coaching in Houston will be Olajuwan and McHale, two of the best five post players offensively of the past 30 years.

He's worked with Hakeem extensively every off-season. It hasn't mattered one bit.

He also had the chance to work with Kareem, but that never materialized.

McHale is a dogshit coach. He may have been one of the best post players of all time, but that hasn't translated into anything during his coaching tenure.

Howard's offensive game isn't just going to blossom now that he's working with these guys. If teaching moves was so easy, Jordan would be instructing his team every day.

He either has it, or he doesn't, and at 28, he's not adding much to that game that's not already there.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This is the fourth major move the Rockets have made in the last 4 years where they've re-evaluated.

They drafted Jeremy Lamb with 1.12 then traded him for a much more expensive Harden. They gave Jeremy Lin a mega contract then brought in Harden (the two are a bad mismatch for each other). They signed Asik to a mega contract then realized he wasn't as good as advertised and now are paying him a shitload of money to do virtually nothing. They drafted Royce White with no care in the world about his history.

The Sixers are fine. Like Oden, they'll gamble with White and if it doesn't work, who cares. But the Rockets... wow. They make so many of these big splash moves and then backtrack. They don't have any kind of a plan.

I think you mean "Like Bynum" not Oden.

And the Sixers are not fine, they had a core and were a 5-6 seed playoff team before Bynum, it cost them Iggy, Harkless and Vucevic. If you are asking me now would I trade those three for Andrew Bynum you are crazy, especially now that they blew the team up, have a new coach and GM, Harkless and Vucevic would have been HUGE young pieces to build around.

White literally cost them nothing, Bynum cost them the loss of basically their head coach, GM, and the domino effect of multiple players (Iggy, Hark, Vuc, Holiday trade, Lou Williams) and then taking on terrible players like Jason Richardson, and signing scrubs like Nick Young

[The Bad Guy]

Direckshun, anything you want to wager on the fact that LeBron won't retire a member of the Miami Heat?

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

I think you mean "Like Bynum" not Oden.

And the Sixers are not fine, they had a core and were a 5-6 seed playoff team before Bynum, it cost them Iggy, Harkless and Vucevic. If you are asking me now would I trade those three for Andrew Bynum you are crazy, especially now that they blew the team up, have a new coach and GM, Harkless and Vucevic would have been HUGE young pieces to build around.

The Dwight trade hurt the 6ers the most.

If they had Vucevic, no need to trade for Noel. A group right now of Vucevic, Thad Young, Harkless, Turner and Jrue is one of the 7 best teams in the east. That's young, athletic as hell. The only real area they'd have to address is Turner and adding depth.

The 6ers have ****ed themselves.

[mcaj22]

yea Doug Collins was Scott Pioli level bad with roster moves in that 12 month span where the Sixers made terrible roster moves. I hate them both equally. Scooter more because I love the Chiefs more, but ya know.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The Houston Rockets drive me crazy. They are building their team like an amusement park. There's no plan except to sign every big name they can. Even though I hated Miami's big three thing, at least they were smart for how they built around the superstars and looked like they had a plan.

The fact that they acquired Harden after they paid Lin way too much money (even though they're the same type of player) and Howard to replace Asik (making Asik an unbelievably expensive guy to play scrap minutes) makes me not want to root for the team. Nevermind that Howard was a douche in the way he handled himself.

Asik's trade value isn't going anywhere, Lin's contract isn't nearly as big as everyone makes it out to be (similar to what Dragic got), and they have young forwards with decent potential. They have a very flexible plan

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Rudy Was Offsides

Asik's trade value isn't going anywhere, Lin's contract isn't nearly as big as everyone makes it out to be (similar to what Dragic got), and they have young forwards with decent potential. They have a very flexible plan

Lin's contract is absolutely awful. Lin stinks and really isn't in the same stratosphere as Dragic in terms of NBA talent.

No one is taking on that deal unless it's packaged with a young asset.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Lin's contract is absolutely awful. Lin stinks and really isn't in the same stratosphere as Dragic in terms of NBA talent.

No one is taking on that deal unless it's packaged with a young asset.

Still young. Im fine keeping him. Averaged 16ppg last year in the second half of the season after coming off injury. Shot 44/34... He'll probably raise his three-point percentage to 37-39 range. Just needs to get those turnovers down, and get some more experience. 3-year, 25 mil isn't that bad. Though the backloaded salary for next year is pretty funny. I understand the hate though.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This is the fourth major move the Rockets have made in the last 4 years where they've re-evaluated.

They drafted Jeremy Lamb with 1.12 then traded him for a much more expensive Harden. They gave Jeremy Lin a mega contract then brought in Harden (the two are a bad mismatch for each other). They signed Asik to a mega contract then realized he wasn't as good as advertised and now are paying him a shitload of money to do virtually nothing. They drafted Royce White with no care in the world about his history.

The Sixers are fine. Like Oden, they'll gamble with White and if it doesn't work, who cares. But the Rockets... wow. They make so many of these big splash moves and then backtrack. They don't have any kind of a plan.

No plan? What are you talking about? Morey has been collecting cheap assets along the way with the hope of trading for or signing top 20 players. They lost Yao Ming long before they expected. They signed Lin and Asik away from teams that wanted to keep them. Lin looks a bit expensive now, but he only has 2 years left and he could still improve (24 years old). Asik was a really nice find, and he's only 23 and still improving. He's also a very nice trade chip at this point. After signing those guys, Harden fell into their lap. You going to tell me they shouldn't have traded for Harden because he and Lin weren't a fit? Morey had no idea he was going to get Harden when he signed Lin. Meanwhile, he created space to sign the best free agent available this season, a guy who is a nice match with Harden and Parsons. If Howard is healthy and becomes what he was with Orlando, it's a great signing.

As for Houston and Royce White.....Morey doesn't seem like the type of GM who doesn't do his homework. He understood what he was getting into in terms of special circumstances; what he didn't understand was how difficult White was to deal with.