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Old 04-09-2013, 02:28 PM  
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Police make arrests at Thatcher death street parties in Bristol and Brixton

Officers injured during public disorder as hundreds turn out across cities in Britain to celebrate former prime minister's death


Police officers were injured and arrests were made as protesters held street parties in cities around Britain celebrating the death of Margaret Thatcher.

One officer was taken to hospital and five others were injured in clashes in Bristol after a street party turned violent. A man was arrested after revellers refused to leave the street party, and threw cans and bottles at police, according to Avon and Somerset police. A police vehicle was damaged and an officer remains in hospital. His injuries are not thought to be serious.

Police said the group "refused requests to peacefully disperse", leading to the use of shields and batons by officers. A spokeswoman said police received a number of calls from residents about the party.

She said party-goers were "throwing stuff around and starting fires" before police arrived.





In Brixton, south London, people gathered from around 5.30pm in Windrush Square and by nightfall had attracted about 200 protesters after a party was announced on Facebook. The Ritzy cinema was festooned in banners, with the now showing sign rearranged to spell out "Margaret Thatcher dead". One banner read: "Rejoice, Thatcher is dead." Others chanted: "Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, dead, dead, dead."

The Metropolitan police said there had been low-level disorder in Brixton. Two women were arrested on suspicion of burglary after a shop front was broken.

"Last night police dealt with approximately 100 people who caused low level disorder," said a Met spokesman. Extra officers were called to the scene to ensure "public safety and accessibility to public highways", he added.

On the Facebook page set up to organise the party, a woman had written: "Well I hope the idiots who told me they were off down Brixton High Street for the sake of the community (sic) are proud of the fact they smashed the windows of Barnardo's the Children's charity, but left Foxtons, the banks and McDonald's in tact. I'm proud of the people that hung around to clear up."





In Leeds, a group gathered to hand out "Thatcher's dead cake", singing and cheering at one of several street parties. In YouTube footage a man is seen chanting 'If you all hate Thatcher clap your hands' into a megaphone. While in Liverpool, where many reviled Thatcher for her role in the closure of the city's docks and her perceived role and views on the Hillsborough disaster, there was a gathering lit by red flares on the steps of Lime street station. Police said they had not been called to any disturbances in the city related to the former prime minister's death.

Around 300 people gathered in Glasgow's George Square which experienced highly charged poll tax protests in 1989, after the introduction of one of Thatcher's most divisive measures. Revellers wore party hats, and popped a bottle of champagne while streamers were thrown into the sky. Groups such as the Communist party, the Socialist party, the Anti-Bedroom Tax Federation and the International Socialist Group were joined by members of the public. Martin Chomsky, the lead singer of Chomsky Allstars, performed his song So Long Margaret Thatcher in George Square. "There are mixed emotions. I was never brought up to celebrate anyone's death but the pain she brought to Latin America, Europe and around the world should be remembered," he said.

"I would rather that Thatcherism was dead because she is mostly to blame for what is going on today. She is responsible, but not solely, for the massive gap between the rich and the poor."




In Derry and Belfast, there were republican celebrations. In one incident in Derry a petrol bomb was thrown at a passing police patrol near Free Derry Corner during a street party. In the Falls Road area of west Belfast, car horns were sounded and champagne bottles cracked open as hundreds gathered to wave flags and chant.

In Trafalgar Square, central London, champagne bottles were passed around as people celebrated, while a Facebook group is calling for another celebration in Trafalgar Square on Saturday from 6pm. A separate campaign has been launched to make Ding Dong! The Witch is Dead reach No1 in the music charts.
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:35 PM   #46
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Good Lord, you are full of it. Since when is calling the Labor Party Liberal a smear? Center-Left implies being in the center, but leaning left. My opinion is that Labor is primarily Left, and occasionally leans to the center. I think that is a significant distinction to make.
Calling the Labour Party "liberal" is not a smear. I never said it was. However, saying that the Labour Party celebrates the death of Thatcher (a clearly shameful and disgraceful act) is a smear on the Labour Party. The classification of "center-left" or "left-center" clearly encompasses your characterization of the Labour Party. There again seems to be no point to your disagreement with what I said, except you wish to emphasize the "left" element of the characterization. Fine -- by all means, go ahead. But don't say that the characterization is wrong.

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And it was not a single supporter...it was one of the largest unions in all of England....the second largest, in fact, with over 1.3 millions members. Kind of dishonest to portray them as a single supporter, no? Them celebrating Thatcher's death would akin to the Teamsters celebrating the death of Ronald Reagan the Teamsters has approx 1.4 million members).
Except it's not the Union that is celebrating her death. It was Jon Rogers, an agent of the Union (a Union that supports the Labour Party), that defended the celebrations. This would really be like an official for the Teamsters defending a celebration of the death of Ronald Reagan, and then you saying, "Democrats celebrate the death of Ronald Reagan!"

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I am not a fan of modern liberalism, and modern conservatism has had its share of disappointments as well. But to portray the Labor Party as center first is not correct. Labor is liberal, not left-center, or whatever fancy phrase you want to use to attempt to portray them as anything other than being on the left.
It's not a portrayal of "center" first. It's a portrayal of being "left of center." That's what the phrase 'center-left' or 'left-center' means. I didn't come up with this. It's general knowledge that you have seem incapable of understanding.

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Your original comment was that Labor would not celebrate Thatcher's death in the streets. I think my point stands...there are some in Labor that did celebrate, and celebrated in a very public manner.
My original comment was that, "[The Labour Party] is not celebrating the death of Margret Thatcher in the streets." That's true, despite your link which notes a banner display of a Union that supports the Labour Party and an official of the Union defending the celebration. Your point, as you state it there, is unproven. My link, which shows the leader of the Labour Party's reflection on her death, would cause an honest person to change tune.

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My opinion was not built on any dishonest principles...it just happened to disagree with yours. Live with it. Feel free to call those who disagree with you "intellectually dishonest" or whatever phrase you like. I hope you can overcome your own close mindedness, and accept that people can have an opinion different from yours.
Your belief that the Labour Party celebrates the death of Thatcher is built on your exceptional example. You use that to prove your proposed rule. That's an intellectually dishonest method of argument. It's not just an opinion.
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:39 PM   #47
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:00 PM   #48
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Calling the Labour Party "liberal" is not a smear. I never said it was. However, saying that the Labour Party celebrates the death of Thatcher (a clearly shameful and disgraceful act) is a smear on the Labour Party. The classification of "center-left" or "left-center" clearly encompasses your characterization of the Labour Party. There again seems to be no point to your disagreement with what I said, except you wish to emphasize the "left" element of the characterization. Fine -- by all means, go ahead. But don't say that the characterization is wrong.



Except it's not the Union that is celebrating her death. It was Jon Rogers, an agent of the Union (a Union that supports the Labour Party), that defended the celebrations. This would really be like an official for the Teamsters defending a celebration of the death of Ronald Reagan, and then you saying, "Democrats celebrate the death of Ronald Reagan!"



It's not a portrayal of "center" first. It's a portrayal of being "left of center." That's what the phrase 'center-left' or 'left-center' means. I didn't come up with this. It's general knowledge that you have seem incapable of understanding.



My original comment was that, "[The Labour Party] is not celebrating the death of Margret Thatcher in the streets." That's true, despite your link which notes a banner display of a Union that supports the Labour Party and an official of the Union defending the celebration. Your point, as you state it there, is unproven. My link, which shows the leader of the Labour Party's reflection on her death, would cause an honest person to change tune.



Your belief that the Labour Party celebrates the death of Thatcher is built on your exceptional example. You use that to prove your proposed rule. That's an intellectually dishonest method of argument. It's not just an opinion.
Yes or no question...Were those that celebrated in this instance supporters of the Labor Party?

Your statement was an absolute...that the Labor Party did not celebrate Thatchers death...the article that I posted clearly shows that there are some in the Labor Party that did.... I never said these celebrations were "the rule"...but they were enough of them that they are not the "exception" that you think they are.

You lecture me about viewing things in black and white...yet your own perception is "rules" and "exceptions". Pot calling the kettle black perhaps?

Another question...if the Labor Party official line would "cause an honest person to change their tune" then why did leaders of the Labor Party make multiple statements about not celebrating in an attempts to keep their party in line? If they are such an exception, why is Tony Blair publicly condemning them on the BBC, and calling for his own party to "show some respect"? If they are such the exception, surely they would not warrant the attention of party leaders, would they?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22080238
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...ir=UK+Politics
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4620142.html

Again, I do not think the celebrations are the view of the majority of the Labor Party (which you would define as the "rule")...but it does appear to be a significant amount of the minority of that party that did celebrate, much more than a mere "exception"

Considering the amount of damage control that Labor is doing at the moment, I do not think that my opinion "smears" them in any way.
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Old 04-10-2013, 09:06 PM   #49
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Yes or no question...Were those that celebrated in this instance supporters of the Labor Party?
I don't know. The article describes a Labour Party member as defending the celebrations.

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Your statement was an absolute...that the Labor Party did not celebrate Thatchers death...the article that I posted clearly shows that there are some in the Labor Party that did.... I never said these celebrations were "the rule"...but they were enough of them that they are not the "exception" that you think they are.
The celebrations are an exception to the public reaction of her death.

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You lecture me about viewing things in black and white...yet your own perception is "rules" and "exceptions". Pot calling the kettle black perhaps?
I don't think so. There can be rules and exceptions in a grey-world.

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Another question...if the Labor Party official line would "cause an honest person to change their tune" then why did leaders of the Labor Party make multiple statements about not celebrating in an attempts to keep their party in line? If they are such an exception, why is Tony Blair publicly condemning them on the BBC, and calling for his own party to "show some respect"? If they are such the exception, surely they would not warrant the attention of party leaders, would they?
Why did they? Perhaps because they strongly disagree with them. Loud exceptions can certainly warrant attention for condemnations. Would you publically condemn a Westboro picket, if it was happening in your hometown?

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Again, I do not think the celebrations are the view of the majority of the Labor Party (which you would define as the "rule")...but it does appear to be a significant amount of the minority of that party that did celebrate, much more than a mere "exception"
It's newsworthy. So is a Westboro picket. Stupid people doing stupid things make for easy, sexy newstories.

The opening post describes "hundreds" of people in a country of millions. If you don't think that's an exception, then you have no legitimate conception of what an exception to a general rule would look like.
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