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Old 04-18-2013, 11:01 PM  
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Albert/Joeckel perspective
How would you feel if the Chiefs had the #2 overall pick and packaged it and Albert for Joeckel? Because that's what the Chiefs are on the brink of doing.

#1 pick = 3000 points
#54 pick = 360 points

difference is 2640 points

#2 pick is worth 2600 points

Chiefs are going to invest 3000 - 360 = 2640 points to replace Albert with Joeckel. It could be a good deal for the Chiefs if 1) Albert is out of the league in two years, 2) Jockel is a HOFer and 3) the alternatives (like Geno) don't have very good careers.
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:42 PM   #166
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you guys can say it is a media conspiracy

but every ****ing god damn year I can remember for forever there has been a QB that has risen to the top and everyone was like "yep, top 5 pick for sure"

well other than the Pennington year

and all of the scouts have basically said "meh, no...no this year. Sorry."

I'm inclined to think that, unfortunately, there just wasn't an elite QB this year (prospect wise).

Can one of them end up being a franchise player? of course

but you can't fault the Chiefs for not reaching for a QB just because it is a QB
Teams were scared to death of Cam Newton for the longest time.

Lots of scouts didn't think the Rams should draft Sam Bradford at 1 because he wasn't worth it. He was far from the consensus "Yep, top 5 QB. Definitely" kind of player you speak of.

The ESPN crew hemmed and hawed when the Falcons picked Matt Ryan at 3.

Recent history suggests that those kind of draft years are far more rare than you might think. And in those cases, what are teams supposed to do? I guess the expectation is that they keep on being doormats of the league, but by golly they will be doormats with fantastic left tackle play!

When you bottom out, there's only one way to go. Up. Take the QB. Grow some balls and roll the ****ing dice. Again, if your risk pays off, your team becomes an INSTANT contender with the way the league favors the QB position.
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:43 PM   #167
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Sorry, I disagree. I don't think there's a first round guy this year that's capable of winning a Super Bowl. I just don't see it.

Personally, I find it more likely that a second or third round guy (Dysert, Nassib, Bray) that sits on the bench for a few years has a far better opportunity than someone like Smith, who will likely be forced to start Day One.

I'm just not seeing it this year. It sucks, but it is what it is.
But it's OK to spend a high draft pick on a 29 year old guy that isn't capable of winning one either.

Every year, the same bullshit.

This isn't the year. Next year's class is better.

30 years later, 20 of which without a playoff win, no one has learned a ****ing thing.
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:43 PM   #168
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Sorry, I disagree. I don't think there's a first round guy this year that's capable of winning a Super Bowl. I just don't see it.
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Says the guy who saw TWO of Geno's games.
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:45 PM   #169
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This team loses absolutely nothing if they draft Geno.

Absolutely nothing.

The risk reward is so awesome for this team it's mind boggingly absurd that they won't draft him.

Who are we missing out on?

If he busts, big ****ing deal. You have Alex Smith, and you can let him fart around Arrowhead for a year or two while you attempt to find another QB prospect.
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Teams were scared to death of Cam Newton for the longest time.

Lots of scouts didn't think the Rams should draft Sam Bradford at 1 because he wasn't worth it. He was far from the consensus "Yep, top 5 QB. Definitely" kind of player you speak of.

The ESPN crew hemmed and hawed when the Falcons picked Matt Ryan at 3.

Recent history suggests that those kind of draft years are far more rare than you might think. And in those cases, what are teams supposed to do? I guess the expectation is that they keep on being doormats of the league, but by golly they will be doormats with fantastic left tackle play!

When you bottom out, there's only one way to go. Up. Take the QB. Grow some balls and roll the ****ing dice. Again, if your risk pays off, your team becomes an INSTANT contender with the way the league favors the QB position.
Funny you mention Cam.

All of these media-scouts supposedly think Smith is garbage, yet Scouts, INC - who is run by Kiper and/or McShay, IIRC - graded Cam a 92 and Geno a 91, if memory serves.

BTW, great post.
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:46 PM   #171
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Says the guy who saw TWO of Geno's games.
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:46 PM   #172
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So, what's wrong with that?

JFC, some of you guys act as if there are certain rules that the Chiefs must follow in order to make you "happy".

It's pretty silly.
What's wrong with it is that kind of shit almost never happens. Excluding Russell Wilson, who is the last QB to be drafted in the 3rd-UDFA area who doesn't suck?

Schaub? Romo? What about before that? Tom Brady? Umm... Jake Delhomme?

What about before that? Matt Hasselbeck?

It's a BAD BET. It has a very low probability of happening. That's why it's bad.
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Passing on Geno is an absolute embarrasing move by the team. Same shit, different year. I'd still like someone to point out a "legit" reason for not drafting him.
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:50 PM   #174
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But it's OK to spend a high draft pick on a 29 year old guy that isn't capable of winning one either.
Who said it was "okay"?

That said, I do believe that most people on Chiefsplanet tend to overvalue draft picks. If you look at the history of the Chiefs second round picks over the past 20 years, you're looking at a virtual wasteland.

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Every year, the same bullshit.

This isn't the year. Next year's class is better.
Some years, that's true. Or did Jimmy Clausen suddenly become a superstar without anyone noticing? J.P. Losman? Jason Campbell? What the hell has Jay Cutler ever won? David Carr?

There is some truth to that mantra, whether you agree or not.

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30 years later, 20 of which without a playoff win, no one has learned a ****ing thing.
No one? Do you mean Clark Hunt and the Hunt family? Because last I checked, they're the people writing the checks.
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Passing on Geno is an absolute embarrasing move by the team. Same shit, different year. I'd still like someone to point out a "legit" reason for not drafting him.
He's black. He threw up gang signs. His eyes are slow. He can't even drink out of a cup...
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Says the guy who saw TWO of Geno's games.
Oh, just **** off. JFC, how many times do I have to state that I watched at least six games on YouTube?
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Sorry, I disagree. I don't think there's a first round guy this year that's capable of winning a Super Bowl. I just don't see it.

Personally, I find it more likely that a second or third round guy (Dysert, Nassib, Bray) that sits on the bench for a few years has a far better opportunity than someone like Smith, who will likely be forced to start Day One.

I'm just not seeing it this year. It sucks, but it is what it is.
I think it will really depend on the team they end up on.


As far as looking at these players and trying to judge just from film/interviews, I'd say that Geno, Nassib, Barkley, Manuel and Glennon all have legitimate chances to be productive given the right situation. That's the tricky part though. Additionally, I have no idea how any of these guys are in the locker room, how they process information (both in film study and on the field) other than what's available.
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Oh, just **** off. JFC, how many times do I have to state that I watched at least six games on YouTube?
Which ones?
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Yeah, you're right. It's MY fault the Chiefs have elected to pass on Geno Smith and trade for Alex Smith.

I called in a favor to the Hunts.

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It's not smart if you don't like the available talent
If you had to put a "bust rate" on Geno Smith, what would it be? I'm fine with people who don't think he'll be a good NFL QB, but the potential for Geno to really succeed in the league HAS to be acknowledged. There's a reason why he's the #1 QB over Barkley and friends.

What do you think the percent chance is that Geno will fail as an NFL QB? More than 50% I assume. 60? 70?

With the way the Chiefs have been built and the way they want the team to play under Reid, and the way they want to roll with Alex Smith for a few seasons, I would draft Geno Smith if his QB bust rate were as high as 70. And I don't think it's that high.
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