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unothadeal · 12-06-2012, 12:32 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ating-kickoffs

When the NFL changed the line of scrimmage for kickoffs to increase touchbacks, New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick derisively said that it was only a matter of time before the NFL eliminated kickoffs entirely. He believed that's what the NFL wanted to do.

Belichick might wind up being proven right.

Roger Goodell through the years
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NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said that he's taken it under consideration to remove the kickoff entirely.

"It's an off-the-wall idea. It's different and makes you think differently. It did me," Goodell told TIME in a cover story for the Dec. 17 issue.

Even more intriguing is an alternative concept promoted by Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano. Goodell met with the NFL competition committee chairman about the concept.

"After a touchdown or field goal, instead of kicking off, a team would get the ball on its own 30-yard line, where it's fourth and 15," TIME's Sean Gregory writes. "The options are either to go for it and try to retain possession or punt. If you go for it and fall short, of course, the opposing team would take over with good field position. In essence, a punt replaces the kickoffs."

It's an interesting idea. We haven't seen the numbers that punts are that much safer than kickoffs, but the NFL must have the data to support the notion if they were considering it.

The implications for strategy are even more intriguing. If a team is trailing by more than one score very late in the fourth quarter, they likely would to try to go for it on fourth-and-15 instead of punting. That's not an easy situation to convert, but the concept would still make it easier to make a comeback without ever giving the ball back to an opponent.

listopencil · 12-07-2012, 02:04 AM

http://www.soccerstats.com/

Sorter · 12-07-2012, 02:06 AM

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You don't see the irony of a soccer fan going along with the idea that only scoring plays are exciting?

AussieChiefsFan · 12-07-2012, 02:06 AM

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You don't see the irony of a soccer fan going along with the idea that only scoring plays are exciting?

listopencil · 12-07-2012, 02:11 AM

Should the corner kick be eliminated from soccer?

"The first step was to analyze data provided on the FIFA World Cup website. They provide videos of all goals scored as well as statistics on the number of corner kicks attempted. There were 145 goals scored in the World Cup. Of the 627 corner kicks that were attempted, 271 connected with an offensive player (43%). Of those, 9 goals were scored from a corner played into the penalty area resulting in a shot. That’s a ratio of 1 goal scored for every 70 corners taken. Part of the difficulty with this analysis is defining how a goal is scored from a corner kick. Many consider more than one pass beyond the corner kick as free play. Others consider any goal scored where the run of play was initiated with a corner to have resulted from the corner. For example, a poor clearance by a defender that results in a successful shot could be attributed to the corner kick. Likewise a short corner that is touched a few times then played into the box and headed in might also be considered. If you also count goals that resulted from poor clearances (5) and from short corners (2), a total of 14 goals resulted from corner kicks. This brings the ratio down to 1 goal for every 45 corners attempted.

Using this approach, corner kicks accounted for as few as 6% or many as 10% of the goals scored during the 2010 World Cup and corner kicks resulted in a goal once every 4.5 to 7 matches."

http://www.scienceofsocceronline.com...y-numbers.html

I don't know offhand how many matches were played in the World Cup. But that's 9 scores on 627 attempts, give or take.

AussieChiefsFan · 12-07-2012, 02:15 AM

Amazing to see the numbers

listopencil · 12-07-2012, 02:24 AM

I'm piecing together some stats here. According to this (http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...-effect-on-nfl), 1374 kickoffs were returned in 2011. So 10 scores on 1374 returns, that's roughly half the scoring of corner kicks. Of course that's playoff soccer, with the best teams. I assume that if you look at regular season totals that corner kicks would result in less scoring, as the overall quality of play would be lower.

**jAZ** · 12-07-2012, 02:50 AM

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You don't see the irony of a soccer fan going along with the idea that only scoring plays are exciting?

For me, soccer is below baseball and above NASCAR on my list of terribly boring sports to watch. Are you thinking of Zach?

**jAZ** · 12-07-2012, 02:51 AM

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Should I clap and laugh at you two for not having any idea who you are talking about?

AussieChiefsFan · 12-07-2012, 03:01 AM

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Should I clap and laugh at you two for not having any idea who you are talking about?

listopencil · 12-07-2012, 03:04 AM

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For me, soccer is below baseball and above NASCAR on my list of terribly boring sports to watch. Are you thinking of Zach?

It's OK. You can admit it. We won't judge you.

**jAZ** · 12-07-2012, 03:12 AM

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Forgetting the actual kickoff, replacing it with a fourth down option is a joke. As mentioned, one bad call and you have a first down. If you are ****ing desperate to remove the KO then stick it on the 25 or something. Don't add this joke of a gimmick.

I don't disagree with that.

Well, I agree with this, but if you do go down this road, I think that you can't just place the ball for the other team. That wipes out the "on sides kick" option.

I think you could require an actual punt in place of the kickoff. But to keep the on-sides kick like option, you have to allow for a fake punt. And to do that you have to have a 1st down line somewhere.

Actually, I think I might have just walked through the arc of their own thinking on this.

All of this assumes that something about the punt formation makes for a significantly lower risk for brain injuries than KO's. If that's not true, then either you need to be keeping the KO or getting rid of both KO and PR's.

Again, what does the data say?

**jAZ** · 12-07-2012, 03:15 AM

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It's OK. You can admit it. We won't judge you.

I don't care much what you think about me, but I don't talk about, never played, and couldn't care less about soccer. I'm not your guy on that.

|Zach| is the resident soccer fan.

But in any case, feel free to think what ever you want about me on that or anything else.

**jAZ** · 12-07-2012, 03:16 AM

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Completely agree.

R8RFAN · 12-07-2012, 03:29 AM

Well that would do away with onside kicks too

**007** · 12-07-2012, 06:15 AM

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Well that would do away with onside kicks too

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unothadeal HOF 20?? Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $5115120	Goodell considering doing away with kickoffs http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ating-kickoffs When the NFL changed the line of scrimmage for kickoffs to increase touchbacks, New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick derisively said that it was only a matter of time before the NFL eliminated kickoffs entirely. He believed that's what the NFL wanted to do. Belichick might wind up being proven right. Roger Goodell through the years Take a look at photos of Roger Goodell through the years. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said that he's taken it under consideration to remove the kickoff entirely. "It's an off-the-wall idea. It's different and makes you think differently. It did me," Goodell told TIME in a cover story for the Dec. 17 issue. Even more intriguing is an alternative concept promoted by Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano. Goodell met with the NFL competition committee chairman about the concept. "After a touchdown or field goal, instead of kicking off, a team would get the ball on its own 30-yard line, where it's fourth and 15," TIME's Sean Gregory writes. "The options are either to go for it and try to retain possession or punt. If you go for it and fall short, of course, the opposing team would take over with good field position. In essence, a punt replaces the kickoffs." It's an interesting idea. We haven't seen the numbers that punts are that much safer than kickoffs, but the NFL must have the data to support the notion if they were considering it. The implications for strategy are even more intriguing. If a team is trailing by more than one score very late in the fourth quarter, they likely would to try to go for it on fourth-and-15 instead of punting. That's not an easy situation to convert, but the concept would still make it easier to make a comeback without ever giving the ball back to an opponent.
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listopencil Immanentize The Eschaton Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In Partibus Infidelium Casino cash: $2315880	Should the corner kick be eliminated from soccer? "The first step was to analyze data provided on the FIFA World Cup website. They provide videos of all goals scored as well as statistics on the number of corner kicks attempted. There were 145 goals scored in the World Cup. Of the 627 corner kicks that were attempted, 271 connected with an offensive player (43%). Of those, 9 goals were scored from a corner played into the penalty area resulting in a shot. That’s a ratio of 1 goal scored for every 70 corners taken. Part of the difficulty with this analysis is defining how a goal is scored from a corner kick. Many consider more than one pass beyond the corner kick as free play. Others consider any goal scored where the run of play was initiated with a corner to have resulted from the corner. For example, a poor clearance by a defender that results in a successful shot could be attributed to the corner kick. Likewise a short corner that is touched a few times then played into the box and headed in might also be considered. If you also count goals that resulted from poor clearances (5) and from short corners (2), a total of 14 goals resulted from corner kicks. This brings the ratio down to 1 goal for every 45 corners attempted. Using this approach, corner kicks accounted for as few as 6% or many as 10% of the goals scored during the 2010 World Cup and corner kicks resulted in a goal once every 4.5 to 7 matches." http://www.scienceofsocceronline.com...y-numbers.html I don't know offhand how many matches were played in the World Cup. But that's 9 scores on 627 attempts, give or take. __________________ Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has...it has stolen.
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listopencil Immanentize The Eschaton Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In Partibus Infidelium Casino cash: $2315880	I'm piecing together some stats here. According to this (http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...-effect-on-nfl), 1374 kickoffs were returned in 2011. So 10 scores on 1374 returns, that's roughly half the scoring of corner kicks. Of course that's playoff soccer, with the best teams. I assume that if you look at regular season totals that corner kicks would result in less scoring, as the overall quality of play would be lower. __________________ Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has...it has stolen.
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