Chiefs Jamaal Charles is best K.C. back ever? - Page 3

Stinger · 12-03-2013, 01:21 PM

Adam Teicher seem to think so....

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- This is probably overdue but I got to thinking about it after Jamaal Charles went over 1,000 rushing yards for the season in last week's loss to the Denver Broncos. That's four straight seasons for Charles with over 1,000 yards and though that's certainly not the only criteria, it's time to call Charles the best runner to ever play for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Charles is third all time on the Chiefs' rushing yardage list. He is roughly 500 yards from catching Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson, the two backs ahead of him. With a big finish, Charles could conceivably catch both players this season. If not, he will pass them in 2014.

Charles is well shy of both players in rushing touchdowns, but Holmes and Johnson at times played for Chiefs teams that were offensive machines. Charles' teams in Kansas City haven't been built that way and it's unfair to penalize him for that. Charles isn't the pass receiver that Holmes was. There was no sight for Chiefs fans like Holmes running with a screen pass behind the great blockers he played with (unless it was Holmes running the sweep behind the great blockers he played with). But strictly as a runner, I'll take Charles.

Two factors go into that decision. First is longetivity. Johnson essentially had two great seasons for the Chiefs, Holmes three. Charles is now at four and we're still counting.

The other is Charles' career per-carry rushing average. Charles has picked up slightly more than 5.5 yards every time he's rushed the ball for the Chiefs in his career and that's frequently against opposing defenses that were often lying in wait for him because the Chiefs gave them little else to worry about.

Holmes rushed for 4.59 yards per carry, Johnson 4.37. That's a significant dfference in Charles' favor.

Holmes and Johnson deserve to be part of the discussion. But with apologies to those guys and some other great Chiefs backs like Marcus Allen, Christian Okoye and Ed Podolak it's time (and probably past time) to hail the new king.

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**Dartgod** · 12-03-2013, 02:38 PM

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Valiant · 12-03-2013, 02:41 PM

For us. Greatest rb if he finishes his career healthy.

As others have said. Him with a hof line would have been sickening. He has done what he has done so far with an average at best oline and below average qbs.

He blocks well. He is not bad catching the ball they do not do it often though. That might be because teams do not respect our deep game.

If he were on the majority of the nfl teams he would be headline news nightly.

Now here is hoping for 5+ years of him keeping this up so the US will notice.

Fyi. Jmo. But allen was not all that exciting for us in between the 20s. Sad that ghill did not have a heart because he could of heen great. Allen just stole tds from others, granted he made them. But I would figure most other backs could get a td from 1st and goal at the 2.

Holmes is 2nd. Great all around back.

**** lj. And his fans.

Didnt see the older guys outside of okaye and word.

DJJasonp · 12-03-2013, 02:42 PM

No bam Morris???

It's close for me. I really, really like priest. The home run threat and top end speed is greater with JC....but Holmes was a stud....and on his way to breaking all kinds of records before he was injured and missed the last two games of the season.

Priest broke more tackles....had a way of finding holes and seams on nearly every play. And had a nose for the end zone.

Yes....I realize his line was HOF worthy.

In a 3 year span....Holmes had 19 100 yd rush days.

In a 3 year span (taking out 2011 and through 12 games this year)....JC has had 13 100 yd games.

If JC were to stop playing after this year or next.....you'd have very similar stats/arguments (except the o line obviously).

Reid's offense probably hurts JCs rushing stats....but helps the all purpose yds.

Too close for me to call ......yet.

Lightrise · 12-03-2013, 02:51 PM

I think he is and I thought that two years ago. He's an amazing runner and I think he's on his way to the Hall of Fame. So unique, incredible balance, vision and sheer will. I've been a fan since the old Municipal Stadium days. He's on my top 10 favorite players ever. Others on the list so much fun to watch Buck Buchanan, Otis Taylor, Nolan Smith, Dante Hall, Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, Priest Holmes, Tony Gonzalez, and Bobby Bell. That puts Charles in very elite company for me.

**Easy 6** · 12-03-2013, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

No bam Morris???

It's close for me. I really, really like priest. The home run threat and top end speed is greater with JC....but Holmes was a stud....and on his way to breaking all kinds of records before he was injured and missed the last two games of the season.

Priest broke more tackles....had a way of finding holes and seams on nearly every play. And had a nose for the end zone.

Yes....I realize his line was HOF worthy.

In a 3 year span....Holmes had 19 100 yd rush days.

In a 3 year span (taking out 2011 and through 12 games this year)....JC has had 13 100 yd games.

If JC were to stop playing after this year or next.....you'd have very similar stats/arguments (except the o line obviously).

Reid's offense probably hurts JCs rushing stats....but helps the all purpose yds.

Too close for me to call ......yet.

Dont forget that JC never saw the field his rookie year and possibly his second year, if my memory serves.

Its no knock to Priest, he's a KC HOFer... but JC has a shot at the big hall.

DJJasonp · 12-03-2013, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Dont forget that JC never saw the field his rookie year and possibly his second year, if my memory serves.

Its no knock to Priest, he's a KC HOFer... but JC has a shot at the big hall.

Agreed....we just need another 3-4 years of 1,000 yds plus.

The HOF is all about totals....not averages (why DT had to wait, instead of first-year.....IMO)

Top · 12-03-2013, 03:22 PM

Mama Hip Rockets · 12-03-2013, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson

Yes. Put him behind the Offensive lines Priest had, and the dude would have HOF numbers.

Yep. Priest was great, but his offensive lines were exponentially better than the ones Charles has had, and Charles has done more with it in terms of yards per carry. Charles is the best back this team has ever had.

Mama Hip Rockets · 12-03-2013, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

I'd take Priest Holmes in his prime over Charles in his prime all day.

But I'd take Marcus Allen in his prime most of all.

Outrageous. Allen only had three 1000-yard rushing seasons in his whole career, and his career YPC is a yard and a half lower than Charles'.

Charles > Holmes > Allen

cosmo20002 · 12-03-2013, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Like who?

Priest is put on a pedestal. He was a good back with a great line. He was nowhere close to the homerun hitter JC is.

Okoye had a real short career.

LJ...pfff....c'mon now....

Marcus Allen never came close to producing like JC.

Say it with me now: Jamaal Charles. Greatest of All Time.

Ted McKnight

lawrenceRaider · 12-03-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman

Yep. Priest was great, but his offensive lines were exponentially better than the ones Charles has had, and Charles has done more with it in terms of yards per carry. Charles is the best back this team has ever had.

The OL that Holmes ran behind would have allowed me to run for over 1,000 yards. That Chiefs OL is in the discussion for best OL's of all time. Charles could break the rushing record behind that OL.

Charles is the best RB in Chiefs history. End of story.

trndobrd · 12-03-2013, 03:59 PM

In their prime Allen>Charles>Holmes.

However, Allen was wearing silver and black during his prime. After riding the bench for four seasons courtesy of Al Davis, Allen was an above average running back, but not top tier, when he came to KC.

Charles>Holmes>Allen>Okoye (based on fun-to-watch factor>

KCrockaholic · 12-03-2013, 04:01 PM

Larry Johnson shouldn't even be discussed as a Chief IMO. The hate is that strong.

ThaVirus · 12-03-2013, 04:03 PM

All of you that think Jamaal is better than Priest are idiots and not old enough to remember /Dane

Omaha · 12-03-2013, 04:03 PM

I think the only legit knock you can make against Charles when comparing him to Holmes is that Charles fumbles more.

12-03-2013, 01:21 PM
Stinger Bazinga Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $4344507	Jamaal Charles is best K.C. back ever? Adam Teicher seem to think so.... KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- This is probably overdue but I got to thinking about it after Jamaal Charles went over 1,000 rushing yards for the season in last week's loss to the Denver Broncos. That's four straight seasons for Charles with over 1,000 yards and though that's certainly not the only criteria, it's time to call Charles the best runner to ever play for the Kansas City Chiefs. Charles is third all time on the Chiefs' rushing yardage list. He is roughly 500 yards from catching Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson, the two backs ahead of him. With a big finish, Charles could conceivably catch both players this season. If not, he will pass them in 2014. Charles is well shy of both players in rushing touchdowns, but Holmes and Johnson at times played for Chiefs teams that were offensive machines. Charles' teams in Kansas City haven't been built that way and it's unfair to penalize him for that. Charles isn't the pass receiver that Holmes was. There was no sight for Chiefs fans like Holmes running with a screen pass behind the great blockers he played with (unless it was Holmes running the sweep behind the great blockers he played with). But strictly as a runner, I'll take Charles. Two factors go into that decision. First is longetivity. Johnson essentially had two great seasons for the Chiefs, Holmes three. Charles is now at four and we're still counting. The other is Charles' career per-carry rushing average. Charles has picked up slightly more than 5.5 yards every time he's rushed the ball for the Chiefs in his career and that's frequently against opposing defenses that were often lying in wait for him because the Chiefs gave them little else to worry about. Holmes rushed for 4.59 yards per carry, Johnson 4.37. That's a significant dfference in Charles' favor. Holmes and Johnson deserve to be part of the discussion. But with apologies to those guys and some other great Chiefs backs like Marcus Allen, Christian Okoye and Ed Podolak it's time (and probably past time) to hail the new king. http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...t-kc-back-ever
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12-03-2013, 02:41 PM	#32
Valiant Valiant 'The Thread Killer' Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6472380	For us. Greatest rb if he finishes his career healthy. As others have said. Him with a hof line would have been sickening. He has done what he has done so far with an average at best oline and below average qbs. He blocks well. He is not bad catching the ball they do not do it often though. That might be because teams do not respect our deep game. If he were on the majority of the nfl teams he would be headline news nightly. Now here is hoping for 5+ years of him keeping this up so the US will notice. Fyi. Jmo. But allen was not all that exciting for us in between the 20s. Sad that ghill did not have a heart because he could of heen great. Allen just stole tds from others, granted he made them. But I would figure most other backs could get a td from 1st and goal at the 2. Holmes is 2nd. Great all around back. **** lj. And his fans. Didnt see the older guys outside of okaye and word.
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12-03-2013, 02:42 PM	#33
DJJasonp My work speaks for itself!!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $2065200	No bam Morris??? It's close for me. I really, really like priest. The home run threat and top end speed is greater with JC....but Holmes was a stud....and on his way to breaking all kinds of records before he was injured and missed the last two games of the season. Priest broke more tackles....had a way of finding holes and seams on nearly every play. And had a nose for the end zone. Yes....I realize his line was HOF worthy. In a 3 year span....Holmes had 19 100 yd rush days. In a 3 year span (taking out 2011 and through 12 games this year)....JC has had 13 100 yd games. If JC were to stop playing after this year or next.....you'd have very similar stats/arguments (except the o line obviously). Reid's offense probably hurts JCs rushing stats....but helps the all purpose yds. Too close for me to call ......yet. __________________ Its easier to fool a man, than to convince a man he's been fooled.
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12-03-2013, 02:51 PM	#34
Lightrise Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Casino cash: $10005085	I think he is and I thought that two years ago. He's an amazing runner and I think he's on his way to the Hall of Fame. So unique, incredible balance, vision and sheer will. I've been a fan since the old Municipal Stadium days. He's on my top 10 favorite players ever. Others on the list so much fun to watch Buck Buchanan, Otis Taylor, Nolan Smith, Dante Hall, Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, Priest Holmes, Tony Gonzalez, and Bobby Bell. That puts Charles in very elite company for me.
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12-03-2013, 03:59 PM	#42
trndobrd 'Stachecicle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Tolerance Box Casino cash: $5025087	In their prime Allen>Charles>Holmes. However, Allen was wearing silver and black during his prime. After riding the bench for four seasons courtesy of Al Davis, Allen was an above average running back, but not top tier, when he came to KC. Charles>Holmes>Allen>Okoye (based on fun-to-watch factor> __________________ "I don't really think there is a need to raise or debate this point." -jAZ
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12-03-2013, 04:03 PM	#44
ThaVirus Settle this once and forever Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $2172369	All of you that think Jamaal is better than Priest are idiots and not old enough to remember /Dane
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12-03-2013, 04:03 PM	#45
Omaha Badass! Join Date: May 2010 Casino cash: $10016579	I think the only legit knock you can make against Charles when comparing him to Holmes is that Charles fumbles more.
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