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Old 07-17-2012, 11:45 AM  
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How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's?

Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.


I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.


Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36


Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.


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Old 07-17-2012, 01:33 PM   #46
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:36 PM   #47
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Not a single one of you mother****ers know what Pioli has offered Bowe, and not a single one of you mother****ers know what Bowe was asking for.

And yet here you all sit, wailing like a bunch of braying jackasses about how unfairly little boweby has been treated.

Quite the drafturbater circle jerk you have going on here...
Doesn't matter.

He is crucial to our team because of our QB situation and lack of receivers.

SOMEONE is going to pay him, if it's not us, we failed.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:41 PM   #48
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It's great at bilking the Hunts out of a couple hundred mil.

I'm talking about what goes on in Foxboro.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:43 PM   #49
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I'm talking about what goes on in Foxboro.
Then don't call it the Patriot Way.

Call it Tom Brady.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:45 PM   #50
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It works because of Tom ****ing Brady. Only damn reason.

There's no question he's a damn big part of it. Can't go to five Super Bowls in 11 years without him, no question.

But the philosophy of how the Patriots are run is a sound one. Fans hate to lose guys like Willie McGinest, Deion Branch, Asante Samuel, Ty Law and Richard Seymour, but I've seen teams in cap hell, and I've heard about teams that are run by a few guys in the locker room, and I'll take what Belichick has installed at Gillette, thanks.

Bill Polian and Peyton Manning didn't get to FIVE Super Bowls and they had more years together than the Patriots have had with Brady. Oh wait, in fact, NO COACH/QB COMBO EVER has gone to five Super Bowls. Sure, we lost two while leading in the final minutes, but still, it's a helluva accomplishment. Brady is the engine, no question, but you need tires, high octane gasoline, aerodynamics, etc. etc. as well.

or else you end up being Dan Marino...
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:49 PM   #51
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Then don't call it the Patriot Way.

Call it Tom Brady.

See my next post.

You can't win championships in the NFL without a very good /great QB. That is a given. The question is how do you put the team in the best position to win every year, with or without that great quarterback.

Peyton Manning has gone to two SBs in 14 years (or whatever) while frequently being in a relatively soft division. Marino went to one. Favre went to, what, two? Brees one (so far). Rodgers one (so far). Vick zero. McNabb one. Rivers zero.

It takes more than Brady to get to the Super Bowl.
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By far the worst thing about Pioli here (other than losing) is having Pat trolls tell us how great his way is.

Don't know how great Pioli's way is. I don't pay enough attention to what he does, to be honest.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:51 PM   #53
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Not a single one of you mother****ers know what Pioli has offered Bowe, and not a single one of you mother****ers know what Bowe was asking for.

And yet here you all sit, wailing like a bunch of braying jackasses about how unfairly little boweby has been treated.

Quite the drafturbater circle jerk you have going on here...
You are missing the point. Some are suggesting he is an elite receiver who deserves elite money. If he was offered that he would have signed but he clearly was not offered that. He doesn't necessarily deserve Johnson, Johnson or Fitzgerald money but the next level I think is appropriate.
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Doesn't matter.

He is crucial to our team because of our QB situation and lack of receivers.

SOMEONE is going to pay him, if it's not us, we failed.
My son, you have sinned.

Go forth and draft three 5-technique DTs in the first round, and throw 10 hail marys to Dexter McCluster!
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You are missing the point. Some are suggesting he is an elite receiver who deserves elite money. If he was offered that he would have signed but he clearly was not offered that. He doesn't necessarily deserve Johnson, Johnson or Fitzgerald money but the next level I think is appropriate.
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Roddy White had 175 targets last year. Wes Welker had 169.

In 2010, Reggie Wayne had 172, White had 167, Fitz had 168.

Bowe had 130 last year and 125 the year before.

Give him a QB and put him in an offense that's designed to be modern and he'd put up 1500, easily.
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There's no question he's a damn big part of it. Can't go to five Super Bowls in 11 years without him, no question.

But the philosophy of how the Patriots are run is a sound one. Fans hate to lose guys like Willie McGinest, Deion Branch, Asante Samuel, Ty Law and Richard Seymour, but I've seen teams in cap hell, and I've heard about teams that are run by a few guys in the locker room, and I'll take what Belichick has installed at Gillette, thanks.

Bill Polian and Peyton Manning didn't get to FIVE Super Bowls and they had more years together than the Patriots have had with Brady. Oh wait, in fact, NO COACH/QB COMBO EVER has gone to five Super Bowls. Sure, we lost two while leading in the final minutes, but still, it's a helluva accomplishment. Brady is the engine, no question, but you need tires, high octane gasoline, aerodynamics, etc. etc. as well.

or else you end up being Dan Marino...
I would support this model as well. As much as I love Bowe, I'd tell him to go **** himself on his big money if we had Tom Brady at QB.

That slight difference is HUGE in comparing the systems. The Chiefs rely on stiffing their good players on new contracts. So do the Patriots. The difference is that the Patriots don't need Bowe, Seymour, Carr, or even Brian Waters. We do.

And that's when an efficient system becomes severely inefficient.
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Do you realize what you get if you take Roddy White's targets, and plug in Bowe's catch percentage and yards per catch?

109 catches, 1,559 yards.

Now do it for 2010:

96 catches, 1,548 yards.

Mother**** you, Scott Pioli.

And FWIW, Roddy White dropped 15 balls last year and 9 in 2010.
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Old 07-17-2012, 02:06 PM   #59
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Smith and Fitzgerald have played with some shit as well. Fitz had Warner for a couple years but since then its been anything but pretty. Smith finally got someone last year.
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Fitz - Josh McCown, Matt Leinart, Kurt Warner, Derek Anderson, Kevin Kolb, Josh Skelton.

He really only had Warner for 2 years. The first 3 Warner was there he was injured, replaced, or Leinart was starting.

Other than those 2 years it's a list of shit.

Smith - Jake Delhomme, Vinny Testaverde, David Carr, Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, Cam Newton.

I figured I'd get back from running errands and see someone attempt to make this argument.

He only had Warner for 2 years? Seriously?

He could have had Warner for TWO GAMES and the level of QB play he's received would be heads and ****ing shoulders above what Bowe has gotten.

Delhomme? Dude's thrown for 20,000+ yards in this league, and has a 300+ 3/0 game in a losing effort in the Super Bowl.

Only a Grade A fool would even attempt to compare the QB play Fitz and Smith have gotten to what Bowe has gotten.

Fitz and Smith have played with some shit QB's.

Bowe has played with nothing but shit QB's.

Thanks for confirming your ignorance.
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