Football Fivehead Manning: least clutch QB in NFL history? - Page 3

GoChargers · 12-26-2014, 02:58 PM

1997 regular season – Manning is dominant in his final season for the Tennessee Volunteers, passing for 36 TD, 11 INT while leading the team to 32.9 PPG in the tough SEC. The best QB in college football finishes No. 2 in the Heisman voting, behind triple-theat performer Charles Woodson.

1997 postseason – Manning produces just a single TD through three quarters and is benched in the fourth quarter as the talent-laden No. 3 Volunteers get smoked by Nebraska, 42-17. Manning completes 21 of 31 for 131 yards, a dismal 4.2 YPA. He is benched in the fourth quarter for Tee Martin, who leads a scoring drive and then leads stacked Tennessee to the national title the following season.

1999 regular season – The Colts roll through the season with a 13-3 record behind second-year phenom Manning. They score 26.4 PPG, third in the NFL.

1999 postseason – Manning completes just 45.2% of his passes with 5.4 YPA and a 62.3 rating as the Colts lose to the Titans, 19-16, playing at home in the Indy dome no less. One and done in the playoffs.

2000 regular season – Manning is brilliant (33 TD, 15 INT, 94.7 rating), while leading the Colts to 26.8 PPG (fourth) and a 10-6 record.

2000 postseason – Manning again struggles to get the ball downfield, completing just 53.1% of his passes for 194 yards, 6.1 YPA and an ordinary 82.0 rating. The Colts lose in Miami, 23-17. One and done in the playoffs.

2002 regular season – The Colts are merely ordinary on offense but go 10-6 and earn a wildcard spot behind one of the league's better defenses: 19.6 PPG (7th). They earn a cushy draw against the 9-7 AFC East champion Jets.

2002 postseason – Manning and the Colts come up lame in one of the most dismal offensive performances in modern playoff history. He completes 45.2% of his passes for 137 yards, 4.4 YPA, 0 TD, 2 INT and a 31.2 rating. The Colts are embarrassed by the 9-7 Jets, 41-0. One and done in the playoffs.

2003 regular season – The Colts explode for 27.9 PPG (2nd) on their way to a 12-4 record and the AFC South crown. Manning wins his first NFL MVP award, sharing the honor with Steve McNair.

2003 postseason – MVP Manning finally enjoys his first postseason success leading the Colts to the AFC title game with a pair of brilliant playoff performances against the Broncos and Chiefs. Then his statistical chariot turned into a pumpkin, with four picks and a 35.5 rating in an ugly 24-14 loss at New England.

2004 regular season – MVP Manning sets the football world abuzz, throwing a record 49 TD passes while leading the Colts to 522 points and a 12-4 record. Manning wins his second consecutive league MVP award.

2004 postseason – Manning is brilliant against the Broncos in the wildcard round, as he was the year before. Then the NFL MVP shits the bed against the Patriots, with just 5.7 YPA, 0 TD, 1 INT and a 69.3 rating in a 20-3 loss. Compared to regular-season production, it is arguably the worst offensive performance in the history of the NFL postseason – at least to that point.

2005 regular season – The mighty Colts are teed up on both sides of the ball to win the Super Bowl: No. 2 in scoring offense (27.4 PPG); No. 2 in scoring defense (15.4), on their way to a brilliant 14-2 record and No. 1 seed in the AFC. It sets up a week rest and a home game against the 11-5 Steelers. By now you know how this story ends.

2005 postseason – Manning didn't exactly shit the bed. But after another brilliant regular season, the offense struggles with its worst performance of the year, producing just 3 points through three quarters. The Colts lose at home to the Steelers, 21-18. One and done in the playoffs.

2006 regular season – The Colts score 26.7 PPG (2nd) on their way to a 12-4 record.

2006 postseason – Proving that even a blind squirrel can find a nut, Manning throws 3 TDs and 7 INTs in four postseason games, but bumbles his way to his only Super Bowl victory behind Indy's brilliant defensive play (16.3 PPG in postseason). He posts the lowest playoff passer rating of any Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

2007 regular season – The defending champs roll through the season with a 13-3 record behind a prolific offense (28.1 PPG; 3rd) and the league's best defense (16.4 PPG; 1st).

2007 postseason – Manning passes for 402 yards and 3 TDs against the visiting Chargers. But the game turns on two costly INTs in San Diego territory at the end of the first half and at the start of the second half. His third-quarter pass was picked off at the San Diego 3, costing the team critical points in a 28-24 loss. One and done in the playoffs.

2008 regular season – The Colts go 12-4, led by a defense that's No. 7 in the NFL in scoring (18.6 PPG). They go on the road in the wildcard round, but get another gimme draw against the 8-8 AFC West champion Chargers. With foil Tom Brady out all year with an injury, the path is paved for Manning and the Colts to win their second Super Bowl.

2008 postseason – Manning doesn't shit the bed. But he hardly looks like the NFL's Most Valuable Player against the average San Diego defense. The Colts struggle to find a groove in a 23-17 loss. One and done in the playoffs.

2009 regular season – The balanced Colts go 14-2 behind a strong offense (7th in scoring) and defense (8th), and another MVP performance by Manning (33 TD, 16 INT, 99.9 rating).

2009 postseason – Manning advances to the Super Bowl for the second time in his career. The MVP has a chance to tie the game and cement his legend in the fourth quarter. Instead, his pass his picked off by Tracy Porter, who returns it 74 yards for the game-clinching score. Colts lose to the Saints, 31-17, as Manning is outplayed by Drew Brees.

2010 regular season – The Colts struggle through a 10-6 season, but it's still enough to win the AFC South. Manning throws 33 TD passes and again leads one of the best offenses in football (27.2 PPG).

2010 postseason – Manning plays well, passing for 225 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT and a 108.7 rating on 26 attempts. But his team, as usual, suddenly struggles to score points in a critical game. The Colts lose at home to the Jets, 17-16. One and done in the playoffs.

2012 regular season – Manning's first year in Denver is a great success. The Broncos are stacked on both sides of the ball (No. 2 scoring offense; No. 4 scoring defense), go 13-3 and earn the AFC's No. 1 seed.

2012 postseason – Manning threw a pick-six and an ugly Favre-esque across-his-body overtime INT to seal Denver's fate in a 38-35 loss to the Ravens. The Broncos fail to win a game in which they produced two special teams touchdowns. One and done in the playoffs.

2013 regular season – The Broncos dominate the NFL behind Manning's fifth MVP performance. He throws a record 55 TD passes while leading the first 600-point team in NFL history (606).

2013 postseason – Manning takes shitting the bed to new levels in Super Bowl XLVIII. Hell, he shit all over the floor and the walls, too. Wide-eyed Manning muffs the first snap of the game, handing the Seahawks a gift 2-0 lead. He's picked off in Seattle territory later in the first quarter, and throws a pick-six at the end of the first half.

The greatest offense in NFL history is shutout for nearly three quarters, behind Manning's worst game of the season (5.7 YPA, 73.5 rating). The Denver offense, after scoring 37.9 PPG in the regular season, is humiliated in a 43-8 loss. It is easily the worst postseason offensive performance relative to regular season success in the Super Bowl Era, replacing Manning's 2004 Colts for that dishonor.

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WhiteWhale · 12-26-2014, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Absolutely this.

My purpose for the entire Tom Brady thread was to show the board how hypocritical it is when it comes to these QB's.

The fact they think one is a choker and the other is clutch is hysterical to me, and I proved it to be false, yet no one wanted to listen, only to chastise me. It is what it is. People only will believe what they want to.

I can't speak for everyone, but Brady lost all of his clutch shine after the spygate/brady's celebrity hitting critical mass (they happened at the same time).

I think you bring up brady because that comparison is the only way you can defend Manning's demonstrable record of coming up small in big moments.

WhiteWhale · 12-26-2014, 05:27 PM

I admit, I have not followed how far Brady is defended as 'clutch' in this forum but when I bash manning, the 'Manning is a golden god" generation (almost everyone under 30) starts talking about Brady automatically as if he's somehow applicable to Manning's choke history.

I'm tired of people arguing like these guys are the clear cut 1/2 QB's of all time.

WhiteWhale · 12-26-2014, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

The game was actually over had it not been for the ridiculous Jerome Bettis fumble that neither of us has mentioned.

And the game was an Indy win if Ben Roethlisberger didn't make the most ridiculous open field tackle a QB has ever made on that very fumble.

And the game was an Indy win if the dumbass defender who picked up the fumble didn't try and run through Roethlisberger and took it the sideline route like any other player in NFL history would've done.

But yeah, WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, we still got to see the value of a clutch kicker over the value of a shithead kicker in this very game.

Brady had the best kicker, the best coach, a great defense and Spygate for his 3 Super Bowls. Job was a little easier for him, eh?

You like deflecting. None of those plays had anything to do with Manning.

I'm talking about when he threw that pick on the final drive and the refs gave him a mulligan. You know... Manning throwing an INT in a big moment. A very non-clutch thing to do.

**jjchieffan** · 12-26-2014, 05:44 PM

I've said it over and over. Peyton Manning is the Marty Schottenheimer of quarterbacks. Great in the regular season, but in the postseason, he's worthless. I think because of that, he's the most over rated quarterback ever.

GoChargers · 12-26-2014, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I did the same thing to Tom Brady - but unfortunately - Tom Brady wasn't dragged kicking and screaming by his defense and the refs to a Super Bowl "win" against the worst SB opponent ever in the middle of it.

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rico · 12-26-2014, 05:51 PM

So according to stats, who would be considered the most clutch QB in postseason history?

**lewdog** · 12-26-2014, 05:51 PM

He once beat the Rex GROSSman led Bears in a Super Bowl. Man, that was tough!

GoChargers · 12-26-2014, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

Now it's Phillip's turn. Someone start a thread

Rivers has not had the greatest career... but nobody calls him the GOAT, he has always had mediocre-to-terrible head coaches and the one time he had a "stacked" team, AJ Smith blew it all up for the sake of his ego.

If anything, LT was the choker. Most overrated player in franchise history, I've never seen a player more scared of the playoffs.

Simply Red · 12-26-2014, 05:58 PM

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Simply Red · 12-26-2014, 05:59 PM

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This was the best reaction gif I've seen for some time.

Simply Red · 12-26-2014, 06:00 PM

GoChargers has always been pretty nice on this thing.

Crying Ramtard · 12-26-2014, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I've said it over and over. Peyton Manning is the Marty Schottenheimer of quarterbacks. Great in the regular season, but in the postseason, he's worthless. I think because of that, he's the most over rated quarterback ever.

LOL your cliché reasoning is invalid-Marty doesn't have one and hasn't been there ever as opposed to 3 times. Sports cliché pseudo logic from stupid fans is so very amusing

Hootie · 12-26-2014, 06:04 PM

I don't get this whole "Peyton's defense carried him to a Super Bowl" thing.

He played terribly against the Chiefs in the WC game. We all saw that. It was also 16-0 and the Chiefs didn't get a 1st down for like 40 minutes of that game. It was never in doubt.

After that, he played another shitty game (by Peyton's standards) in the divisional.

And then all he did was bring his team back from an 18 point 1st half deficit including orchestrating a game winning TD drive against Tom Brady and the New England Patriots in the AFCCG ...

and then, down 10 in the Super Bowl, he posts one of the most efficient games in a Super Bowl as his team controls the ball for 39 minutes against A DEFENSE SO GOOD they got Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl.

The bullshit about Peyton being carried to his only Super Bowl is just that ... bullshit.

Simply Red · 12-26-2014, 06:08 PM

I think Peyton is pretty funny outside his lame commercials - I think his SNL work was pretty dang good.

Simply Red · 12-26-2014, 06:10 PM

I guess it's too early to ask if Peyton can get ten wins next season - but it'll be interesting to see.

12-26-2014, 02:58 PM
GoChargers Dean Spanos is a Traitor Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $10013554	Fivehead Manning: least clutch QB in NFL history? 1997 regular season – Manning is dominant in his final season for the Tennessee Volunteers, passing for 36 TD, 11 INT while leading the team to 32.9 PPG in the tough SEC. The best QB in college football finishes No. 2 in the Heisman voting, behind triple-theat performer Charles Woodson. 1997 postseason – Manning produces just a single TD through three quarters and is benched in the fourth quarter as the talent-laden No. 3 Volunteers get smoked by Nebraska, 42-17. Manning completes 21 of 31 for 131 yards, a dismal 4.2 YPA. He is benched in the fourth quarter for Tee Martin, who leads a scoring drive and then leads stacked Tennessee to the national title the following season. 1999 regular season – The Colts roll through the season with a 13-3 record behind second-year phenom Manning. They score 26.4 PPG, third in the NFL. 1999 postseason – Manning completes just 45.2% of his passes with 5.4 YPA and a 62.3 rating as the Colts lose to the Titans, 19-16, playing at home in the Indy dome no less. One and done in the playoffs. 2000 regular season – Manning is brilliant (33 TD, 15 INT, 94.7 rating), while leading the Colts to 26.8 PPG (fourth) and a 10-6 record. 2000 postseason – Manning again struggles to get the ball downfield, completing just 53.1% of his passes for 194 yards, 6.1 YPA and an ordinary 82.0 rating. The Colts lose in Miami, 23-17. One and done in the playoffs. 2002 regular season – The Colts are merely ordinary on offense but go 10-6 and earn a wildcard spot behind one of the league's better defenses: 19.6 PPG (7th). They earn a cushy draw against the 9-7 AFC East champion Jets. 2002 postseason – Manning and the Colts come up lame in one of the most dismal offensive performances in modern playoff history. He completes 45.2% of his passes for 137 yards, 4.4 YPA, 0 TD, 2 INT and a 31.2 rating. The Colts are embarrassed by the 9-7 Jets, 41-0. One and done in the playoffs. 2003 regular season – The Colts explode for 27.9 PPG (2nd) on their way to a 12-4 record and the AFC South crown. Manning wins his first NFL MVP award, sharing the honor with Steve McNair. 2003 postseason – MVP Manning finally enjoys his first postseason success leading the Colts to the AFC title game with a pair of brilliant playoff performances against the Broncos and Chiefs. Then his statistical chariot turned into a pumpkin, with four picks and a 35.5 rating in an ugly 24-14 loss at New England. 2004 regular season – MVP Manning sets the football world abuzz, throwing a record 49 TD passes while leading the Colts to 522 points and a 12-4 record. Manning wins his second consecutive league MVP award. 2004 postseason – Manning is brilliant against the Broncos in the wildcard round, as he was the year before. Then the NFL MVP shits the bed against the Patriots, with just 5.7 YPA, 0 TD, 1 INT and a 69.3 rating in a 20-3 loss. Compared to regular-season production, it is arguably the worst offensive performance in the history of the NFL postseason – at least to that point. 2005 regular season – The mighty Colts are teed up on both sides of the ball to win the Super Bowl: No. 2 in scoring offense (27.4 PPG); No. 2 in scoring defense (15.4), on their way to a brilliant 14-2 record and No. 1 seed in the AFC. It sets up a week rest and a home game against the 11-5 Steelers. By now you know how this story ends. 2005 postseason – Manning didn't exactly shit the bed. But after another brilliant regular season, the offense struggles with its worst performance of the year, producing just 3 points through three quarters. The Colts lose at home to the Steelers, 21-18. One and done in the playoffs. 2006 regular season – The Colts score 26.7 PPG (2nd) on their way to a 12-4 record. 2006 postseason – Proving that even a blind squirrel can find a nut, Manning throws 3 TDs and 7 INTs in four postseason games, but bumbles his way to his only Super Bowl victory behind Indy's brilliant defensive play (16.3 PPG in postseason). He posts the lowest playoff passer rating of any Super Bowl-winning quarterback. 2007 regular season – The defending champs roll through the season with a 13-3 record behind a prolific offense (28.1 PPG; 3rd) and the league's best defense (16.4 PPG; 1st). 2007 postseason – Manning passes for 402 yards and 3 TDs against the visiting Chargers. But the game turns on two costly INTs in San Diego territory at the end of the first half and at the start of the second half. His third-quarter pass was picked off at the San Diego 3, costing the team critical points in a 28-24 loss. One and done in the playoffs. 2008 regular season – The Colts go 12-4, led by a defense that's No. 7 in the NFL in scoring (18.6 PPG). They go on the road in the wildcard round, but get another gimme draw against the 8-8 AFC West champion Chargers. With foil Tom Brady out all year with an injury, the path is paved for Manning and the Colts to win their second Super Bowl. 2008 postseason – Manning doesn't shit the bed. But he hardly looks like the NFL's Most Valuable Player against the average San Diego defense. The Colts struggle to find a groove in a 23-17 loss. One and done in the playoffs. 2009 regular season – The balanced Colts go 14-2 behind a strong offense (7th in scoring) and defense (8th), and another MVP performance by Manning (33 TD, 16 INT, 99.9 rating). 2009 postseason – Manning advances to the Super Bowl for the second time in his career. The MVP has a chance to tie the game and cement his legend in the fourth quarter. Instead, his pass his picked off by Tracy Porter, who returns it 74 yards for the game-clinching score. Colts lose to the Saints, 31-17, as Manning is outplayed by Drew Brees. 2010 regular season – The Colts struggle through a 10-6 season, but it's still enough to win the AFC South. Manning throws 33 TD passes and again leads one of the best offenses in football (27.2 PPG). 2010 postseason – Manning plays well, passing for 225 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT and a 108.7 rating on 26 attempts. But his team, as usual, suddenly struggles to score points in a critical game. The Colts lose at home to the Jets, 17-16. One and done in the playoffs. 2012 regular season – Manning's first year in Denver is a great success. The Broncos are stacked on both sides of the ball (No. 2 scoring offense; No. 4 scoring defense), go 13-3 and earn the AFC's No. 1 seed. 2012 postseason – Manning threw a pick-six and an ugly Favre-esque across-his-body overtime INT to seal Denver's fate in a 38-35 loss to the Ravens. The Broncos fail to win a game in which they produced two special teams touchdowns. One and done in the playoffs. 2013 regular season – The Broncos dominate the NFL behind Manning's fifth MVP performance. He throws a record 55 TD passes while leading the first 600-point team in NFL history (606). 2013 postseason – Manning takes shitting the bed to new levels in Super Bowl XLVIII. Hell, he shit all over the floor and the walls, too. Wide-eyed Manning muffs the first snap of the game, handing the Seahawks a gift 2-0 lead. He's picked off in Seattle territory later in the first quarter, and throws a pick-six at the end of the first half. The greatest offense in NFL history is shutout for nearly three quarters, behind Manning's worst game of the season (5.7 YPA, 73.5 rating). The Denver offense, after scoring 37.9 PPG in the regular season, is humiliated in a 43-8 loss. It is easily the worst postseason offensive performance relative to regular season success in the Super Bowl Era, replacing Manning's 2004 Colts for that dishonor. http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...manning/31873/
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12-26-2014, 06:04 PM	#43
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I don't get this whole "Peyton's defense carried him to a Super Bowl" thing. He played terribly against the Chiefs in the WC game. We all saw that. It was also 16-0 and the Chiefs didn't get a 1st down for like 40 minutes of that game. It was never in doubt. After that, he played another shitty game (by Peyton's standards) in the divisional. And then all he did was bring his team back from an 18 point 1st half deficit including orchestrating a game winning TD drive against Tom Brady and the New England Patriots in the AFCCG ... and then, down 10 in the Super Bowl, he posts one of the most efficient games in a Super Bowl as his team controls the ball for 39 minutes against A DEFENSE SO GOOD they got Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl. The bullshit about Peyton being carried to his only Super Bowl is just that ... bullshit.
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12-26-2014, 06:08 PM	#44
Simply Red You Sweetie! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021206219 VARSITY	I think Peyton is pretty funny outside his lame commercials - I think his SNL work was pretty dang good.
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12-26-2014, 06:10 PM	#45
Simply Red You Sweetie! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021206219 VARSITY	I guess it's too early to ask if Peyton can get ten wins next season - but it'll be interesting to see.
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