Tom Heckert: Likely new GM...

[DaWolf]

According to multiple reports, if this deal gets wrapped, Heckert is in.

EDIT: Schefter reporting that Dorsey is also someone Reid wants to talk to.

Thoughts? He's no Pioli, but have his moves with the Browns left you impressed?

In the past two years, Heckert overhauled a veteran-laded roster built by Mangini and spearheaded a youth movement. The Browns finished 2012 with 29 players on their 53-man roster who were either in their first or second NFL seasons. They also had a league-high 87 combined starts from rookies this season.

Heckert acquired 17 of the Browns’ 22 starters from 2012. Of those 17 starters brought in by Heckert, he drafted the following 11: cornerback Joe Haden, defensive tackle Phil Taylor, running back Trent Richardson and quarterback Brandon Weeden (first-round picks); strong safety T.J. Ward, defensive end Jabaal Sheard, wide receivers Greg Little and Josh Gordon, a selection in the 2012 supplemental draft, offensive right tackle Mitchell Schwartz (second-round picks); right guard Shawn Lauvao (third-round pick); and strongside linebacker James-Michael Johnson (fourth-round pick).

None of the players Heckert picked for the Browns has made the Pro Bowl yet. But several seem to have bright futures.

“He’s a great general manager,” Haden said Sunday night. “I can tell by the way he drafts players. You can look and you see his draft picks are out there on the field just basically balling for the team. He drafted me. He drafted T.J. He drafted Weeden. He drafted Richardson. This is such a young team, and all of his players are out there playing. That says a lot.”

Still, not every pick has panned out as planned.

Heckert, who has Youngstown roots, let fullback Lawrence Vickers go in free agency and replaced him with Owen Marecic, a fourth-round pick in 2011. Marecic was plagued by dropped passes and lost his spot atop the depth chart in 2012. Heckert traded a third-round and two fifth-round picks in 2010 to move up in the second round to select running back Montario Hardesty, whose career has been plagued by injuries, including a torn ACL in his left knee as a rookie in 2010 and a torn calf muscle that forced him to sit out six games in 2011. The jury is still out on Hardesty, who stayed healthy in 2012.

Although Heckert bolstered several positions – perhaps most notably the defensive line – he might have failed to bring a franchise quarterback to Cleveland. In Heckert’s first two years with the Browns, they cycled through Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace and Colt McCoy. They drafted Weeden 22nd overall in 2012.

Weeden, a 29-year-old former minor-league baseball player, played 15 games and finished with a franchise rookie record 3,385 passing yards and 14 touchdowns, but he also threw 17 interceptions and posted a passer rating of 72.6. It remains to be seen whether the new regime will give Weeden another season to prove himself after an inconsistent rookie year.

Heckert’s drafts will be remembered for some blockbuster deals – including one couldn’t pull off. The Browns failed in their attempt to trade with the St. Louis Rams for the right to draft Robert Griffin III second overall in 2012.

In March, the Browns offered the Rams two first-round selections (Nos. 4 and 22 overall) and a first-round pick in 2013 for the right to draft Griffin at No. 2. The Washington Redskins, though, struck a deal by giving up their first- and second-round picks in 2012 (Nos. 6 and 39), plus a first-round choice in 2013 and another in 2014. The Browns reportedly tried to add their 2012 second-round pick (No. 37) with a second proposal, but the Rams had already decided to accept the Redskins' offer.

Then on April 26, Heckert traded picks in the first (No. 4), fourth (No. 118), fifth (No. 139) and seventh (No. 211) rounds to the Minnesota Vikings, allowing the Browns to move up to the No. 3 slot, where they nabbed Richardson. The Browns were also aggressive by picking Weeden at No. 22 because there was a chance he would have been available to them early in the second round, when they ended up taking Schwartz at No. 37.

In 2011, Heckert traded the sixth overall pick in 2011 to the Atlanta Falcons, which they used to select wide receiver Julio Jones sixth overall in 2011. In exchange, the Browns received picks in the first (27th), second (59th) and fourth (124th) rounds in 2011 and first- and fourth-rounders in 2012. Heckert then traded the 27th overall pick and a third-round selection (No. 70) to move up to No. 21, so he could take Taylor. He drafted Little with No. 59, Marecic with No. 124, Weeden with the Falcons’ first-round pick last year and traded their fourth-round choice.

http://www.ohio.com/news/top-stories...l-man-1.361661

[ROYC75]

Clayton says it's all but done ........ same crap as all the other outlets. Pioli will be out.

All other trips canceled.
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[the Talking Can]

Reid isn't coming to KC to work with a piece of shit failure like pioli...the 'patriot way' is being purged

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Reid isn't coming to KC to work with a piece of shit failure like pioli...the 'patriot way' is being purged

Is it really? Why does that ****er still have a job, then? I have to tell you in all honesty that I am NOT liking the way things are looking right now. Not at all.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DarthPioliSatan

Is it really? Why does that ****er still have a job, then? I have to tell you in all honesty that I am NOT liking the way things are looking right now. Not at all.

Are you serious?

It's been 72 hours and they've spent the last 36 inking the biggest name available for coaches.

They're working on transition. Schefter is now saying that if it's NOT Heckert, it will be Dorsey.

Pioli is gone.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I tend to think Pioli would be out, but at least one person close to the Patriots speculated that Pioli might survive if Reid joins KC.



http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...tball-thoughts


It really comes down to whether Reid thinks Pioli is a good talent evaluator and can work with (and under) Reid in the same way he worked with (and under) Belichick. Another Boston sportswriter, Greg Bedard (who is relatively new to Boston and is not a Patriots toady) said on sports radio last week that "if you ask around the league, the general consensus is that he has upgraded the talent in Kansas City and has done a pretty good job with that roster, though obviously he has missed in the critical coach and quarterback spots" (not a direct quote, but very, very close).

Not what you guys want to hear, I know, but that's what I've been hearing up here anyway.

Factually incorrect... Fat Scott hasn't upgraded the roster.

This analysis comes from people who look at the roster and see the 5 Pro Bowl players, without understanding that 4 of those 5 Pro Bowl players were on the roster BEFORE Fat Scott arrived.

[Monty]

Dammit Heckert!!! /first in

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Are you serious?

It's been 72 hours and they've spent the last 36 inking the biggest name available for coaches.

They're working on transition. Schefter is now saying that if it's NOT Heckert, it will be Dorsey.

Pioli is gone.

1) I'll take your word because my webz time is somewhat limited these days.

2) Glenn Dorsey might possibly be an upgrade at GM...

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

All things being equal, that may have been the case if Reid's agent wasn't Bob LaMonte. Being that his agent is Bob LaMonte, as well as Heckert's, and that Pioli's agent isn't Bob LaMonte, it is fairly likely that LaMonte insisted that Heckert be included as part of the deal.

The only way Pioli would survive is if someone else hired both Heckert and Dorsey, which would mean that LaMonte wouldn't need to worry about those guys getting paid...

You think Andy Reid's AGENT controls who Andy has as a GM?! Yeah, no.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by crossbow

Well Clark is picking the coach so that part gets solved. As far as finding a QB? The new coach can get that done. Scot needs to go. The situation here is totaly toxic for him. I don't see how he could be productive here after everything that has happened.

I think if Andy Reid thinks Pioli is a good talent evaluator and has put in a good scouting department/team in KC etc. that he will keep him, and the "toxic environment" gets fixed once he starts winning.

You gotta understand that guys like Belichick, Reid and Pioli think that the fans opinions are IRRELEVANT because it all gets fixed by winning, and nothing is forgiven if you're losing.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by ROYC75

Clayton says it's all but done ........ same crap as all the other outlets. Pioli will be out.

All other trips canceled.
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Again, I'm not advocating or rooting for anything. I honestly don't care. I'm just acting as the messenger for two different Boston sportswriters.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I think if Andy Reid thinks Pioli is a good talent evaluator and has put in a good scouting department/team in KC etc. that he will keep him, and the "toxic environment" gets fixed once he starts winning.

You gotta understand that guys like Belichick, Reid and Pioli think that the fans opinions are IRRELEVANT because it all gets fixed by winning, and nothing is forgiven if you're losing.

unless reid is reeruned, he knows - like everyone else - that pioli is a cancer and a failure....

"hey clark, I'd like to hitch my future to that GM you hired who is responsible for creating a 2-14 team..."

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Are you serious?

It's been 72 hours and they've spent the last 36 inking the biggest name available for coaches.

They're working on transition. Schefter is now saying that if it's NOT Heckert, it will be Dorsey.

Pioli is gone.

Keep in mind that it's January and the draft is like four months away. It would make perfect sense for Reid to keep Pioli around through the draft, to make sure he has the benefit of Pioli's team's work on the upcoming draft, and then let him go after the transition period is complete.

You guys are acting like if Pioli doesn't get the sword TODAY then the Chiefs are screwed. If I were Reid, I'd probably at least keep the guy through the draft anyway, even if he has ZERO input on anything else.

[Gravedigger]

Pioli is dead to this fanbase, he's done.

[O.city]

Dude, people here with direct knowledge of the situation are saying that Pioli is done here in KC.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I think if Andy Reid thinks Pioli is a good talent evaluator and has put in a good scouting department/team in KC etc. that he will keep him, and the "toxic environment" gets fixed once he starts winning.

You gotta understand that guys like Belichick, Reid and Pioli think that the fans opinions are IRRELEVANT because it all gets fixed by winning, and nothing is forgiven if you're losing.

Pioli ****ing SUCKS. He's decimated this roster, hired shit coach after shit coach and is a ****ing tyrant.

**** Pioli. **** 'em hard and **** 'em dry.

Most of all, get him the **** out of Kansas City.