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Old 02-12-2018, 07:10 AM  
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Dopers will not like this opinion.

Last week marked the fifth anniversary of Colorado's decision to sanction the world's first anything-goes commercial pot trade.

Five years later, we remain an embarrassing cautionary tale.

Visitors to Colorado remark about a new agricultural smell, the wafting odor of pot as they drive near warehouse grow operations along Denver freeways. Residential neighborhoods throughout Colorado Springs reek of marijuana, as producers fill rental homes with plants.

Five years of retail pot coincide with five years of a homelessness growth rate that ranks among the highest rates in the country. Directors of homeless shelters, and people who live on the streets, tell us homeless substance abusers migrate here for easy access to pot.

Five years of Big Marijuana ushered in a doubling in the number of drivers involved in fatal crashes who tested positive for marijuana, based on research by the pro-legalization Denver Post.

Five years of commercial pot have been five years of more marijuana in schools than teachers and administrators ever feared.

"An investigation by Education News Colorado, Solutions and the I-News Network shows drug violations reported by Colorado's K-12 schools have increased 45 percent in the past four years, even as the combined number of all other violations has fallen," explains an expose on escalating pot use in schools by Rocky Mountain PBS in late 2016.

The investigation found an increase in high school drug violations of 71 percent since legalization. School suspensions for drugs increased 45 percent.

The National Survey on Drug Use and Health found Colorado ranks first in the country for marijuana use among teens, scoring well above the national average.

The only good news to celebrate on this anniversary is the dawn of another organization to push back against Big Marijuana's threat to kids, teens and young adults.

The Marijuana Accountability Coalition formed Nov. 6 in Denver and will establish satellites throughout the state. It resulted from discussions among recovery professionals, parents, physicians and others concerned with the long-term effects of a commercial industry profiteering off of substance abuse.

"It's one thing to decriminalize marijuana, it's an entirely different thing to legalize an industry that has commercialized a drug that is devastating our kids and devastating whole communities," said coalition founder Justin Luke Riley. "Coloradans need to know, other states need to know, that Colorado is suffering from massive normalization and commercialization of this drug which has resulted in Colorado being the number one state for youth drug use in the country. Kids are being expelled at higher rates, and more road deaths tied to pot have resulted since legalization."

Commercial pot's five-year anniversary is an odious occasion for those who want safer streets, healthier kids and less suffering associated with substance abuse. Experts say the worst effects of widespread pot use will culminate over decades. If so, we can only imagine the somber nature of Big Marijuana's 25th birthday.

— Colorado Springs Gazette
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Old 02-14-2018, 07:21 PM   #136
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Where should I address your free carton of Pall Mall's? Oh and your daughters name is?

Yes, money buys opinions. Pot became legal because of the taxes, not because it was the right thing to do.
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Old 02-14-2018, 08:18 PM   #137
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I didn't read the whole linked article. But does it get into tolerance levels? I promise you that you give me 1 beer(I don't think I could hold down a glass of wine, who drinks that crap ) vs. 1 joint, it's no comparison.
It didn't go into tolerance levels. Tolerance happens for alcohol also. An alcoholic isn't going to be as bad a driver at 0.08 as an infrequent drinker.

But I think the the difference is greater for pot. Infrequent pot smokers are more likely to completely not even see a stop sign than a regular smoker.

Also, pot isn't all the same. If you have 0.08 alcohol in your blood, it doesn't matter whether you got there from wine or beer.

Pot actually has a great many cannabinoids, THC being only one. They don't all have the same effect. Sativa vs indica really do effect you differently. It isn't all marketing hype. And even different strains in each category can change how spacey someone might be.

Coming up with a reasonable science based law based on blood test is hard.

Some sort of sobriety test would actually make more sense.
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Old 02-14-2018, 08:44 PM   #138
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It didn't go into tolerance levels. Tolerance happens for alcohol also. An alcoholic isn't going to be as bad a driver at 0.08 as an infrequent drinker.

But I think the the difference is greater for pot. Infrequent pot smokers are more likely to completely not even see a stop sign than a regular smoker.

Also, pot isn't all the same. If you have 0.08 alcohol in your blood, it doesn't matter whether you got there from wine or beer.

Pot actually has a great many cannabinoids, THC being only one. They don't all have the same effect. Sativa vs indica really do effect you differently. It isn't all marketing hype. And even different strains in each category can change how spacey someone might be.

Coming up with a reasonable science based law based on blood test is hard.

Some sort of sobriety test would actually make more sense.
Better ways to test sobriety is really needed. Most folks who want the repeal of (Pot) prohibition support strong DUI laws, regardless of the substance being tested.

That said, the REAL issue (IMO) is criminalizing what consenting adults do with their own bodies within the confines of their own homes. Like using cannabis instead of the prescribed opiods for pain medication for example.

Who decides? If I can have my neighbor arrested for smoking weed at home because ...I don't like it, then why shouldn't he have ME arrested for eating ice cream...because it makes me fat and unhealthy?

Do we truly believe as a society, as a culture, as Americans, do we really believe in our rights to pursue our own happiness within the confines of our own homes - or not?

Are we a bunch of hypocrits?
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Old 02-17-2018, 09:49 PM   #139
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https://www.phillymag.com/news/2018/...na-possession/

Larry Krasner Sues Big Pharma, Drops All Marijuana Possession Charges
With a little over a month in office, Philly’s new DA is already further reforming the city’s drug policy.

I did it because I felt it was the right thing to do,” Krasner said when asked of his motivation. “We could use those resources to solve homicides.”

Additionally, the DA’s office said that it had filed a lawsuit on February 2nd against Big Pharma under Pennsylvania’s Unfair Trade Practices and Consumer Protection Laws for their alleged role in creating the city’s opioid epidemic. The defendants are Purdue Pharma, L.P.; Purdue Pharma, Inc.; The Purdue Frederick Company, Inc.; Allergan Finance, LLC; Cephalon, Inc.; Teva Pharmaceuticals USA, Inc.; Endo Health Solutions, Inc.; Endo Pharmaceuticals, Inc.; Janssen Pharmaceuticals, Inc.; and Johnson & Johnson.
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Old 02-18-2018, 02:10 AM   #140
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If I were to call the police and tell them my neighbor was smoking pot...
The sound of laughter would be mind blowing.
I do not recall seeing a basic possession charge that wasn't linked to something much more serious. The local's here are big about publishing even the smallest offense/arrests for things as small as passing gas in a public venue.

If your decency charge gets a secondary charge for eating ice cream, you shouldn't have been eating it naked on your porch in broad daylight. The prudes next door will get you busted for that every time.




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Better ways to test sobriety is really needed. Most folks who want the repeal of (Pot) prohibition support strong DUI laws, regardless of the substance being tested.

That said, the REAL issue (IMO) is criminalizing what consenting adults do with their own bodies within the confines of their own homes. Like using cannabis instead of the prescribed opiods for pain medication for example.

Who decides? If I can have my neighbor arrested for smoking weed at home because ...I don't like it, then why shouldn't he have ME arrested for eating ice cream...because it makes me fat and unhealthy?

Do we truly believe as a society, as a culture, as Americans, do we really believe in our rights to pursue our own happiness within the confines of our own homes - or not?

Are we a bunch of hypocrits?
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Old 02-18-2018, 02:15 AM   #141
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This should be interesting. Do you think they, big pharma, had one less martini on their yachts due to worrying about this suit?




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https://www.phillymag.com/news/2018/...na-possession/

Larry Krasner Sues Big Pharma, Drops All Marijuana Possession Charges
With a little over a month in office, Philly’s new DA is already further reforming the city’s drug policy.

I did it because I felt it was the right thing to do,” Krasner said when asked of his motivation. “We could use those resources to solve homicides.”

Additionally, the DA’s office said that it had filed a lawsuit on February 2nd against Big Pharma under Pennsylvania’s Unfair Trade Practices and Consumer Protection Laws for their alleged role in creating the city’s opioid epidemic. The defendants are Purdue Pharma, L.P.; Purdue Pharma, Inc.; The Purdue Frederick Company, Inc.; Allergan Finance, LLC; Cephalon, Inc.; Teva Pharmaceuticals USA, Inc.; Endo Health Solutions, Inc.; Endo Pharmaceuticals, Inc.; Janssen Pharmaceuticals, Inc.; and Johnson & Johnson.
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Old 02-19-2018, 07:53 PM   #142
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Koch Brothers Criticize Trump Administration Over Legal Pot

In a rebuke of United States Attorney General Jeff Sessions's rescission of the Cole Memorandum, the Koch brothers released a sharply worded statement supporting states' rights with regard to legal marijuana. The statement, first released in late January, argues that "citizens have spoken on marijuana" and that the United State Justice Department can "choose to be on the side of individual liberty and states rights" by not interfering.

The Kochs' public disagreement with the Trump administration over marijuana could offer Republican electives more leeway to support legal marijuana at the state level without risking major GOP donor support.

Of note, the Koch statement goes beyond just defending states' rights in reference to their dispute with Sessions over legal marijuana. The statement also labels the war on drugs "misguided" and advocates a "new, smarter approach to drug policy."

http://www.westword.com/marijuana/ko...juana-10005585
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Old 02-20-2018, 06:10 AM   #143
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If I were to call the police and tell them my neighbor was smoking pot...
The sound of laughter would be mind blowing.
I do not recall seeing a basic possession charge that wasn't linked to something much more serious. The local's here are big about publishing even the smallest offense/arrests for things as small as passing gas in a public venue.

If your vandalism charge gets a secondary charge for eating ice cream, you shouldn't have been eating it naked on your porch in broad daylight. The prudes next door will get you busted for that every time.
Sorry, don't mean to be offensive, but I suspect your lack of a sense of humor might be partly due to you being a bit dense.

Looks like the point flew way north of your ability to comprehend it.

I'm probably a good candidate for you to ignore.

Oh well.......
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