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Old 02-19-2018, 01:42 PM  
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It’s Clear: Donald Trump Welcomes Russia's Subversion of Our Democracy

The president’s response to Bob Mueller’s latest indictments is disturbing but all too expected at this point.

For at least two years, Americans have tried to make sense of Donald Trump’s affinity for Vladimir Putin and refusal to fully acknowledge and counter Moscow’s ongoing attacks on our democracy. We’ve heard the excuse that Trump simply views the Kremlin interference story as a partisan effort to delegitimize his election.

But Friday’s indictments from Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and the president’s response to them, point to a more troubling and increasingly likely motivation: President Trump does not want to stop Kremlin interference intended to sway our elections in his favor. Rather, he welcomes it.

The Special Counsel’s revelations provided a detailed description of part of the modern information warfare Russia has waged against our country since at least 2014. It was a highly-coordinated assault, employing foreign agents on U.S. soil as well as Moscow-based internet operatives.

And yet, in response to this news, the president still couldn’t muster a forceful rebuke of Putin’s regime. Nor would he vow to hold it accountable and deter future attacks. On the contrary, he tried to spin the entire ordeal as an exoneration.

This is either willful ignorance or, more likely, disloyal opportunism. That’s because, whether he admits it or not, the president must know that the story he publicly calls a “hoax” is real. We have detailed evidence of Moscow’s subversion of our democracy. But it seems unlikely that the president will change his tune and take action to counter it.

“I can’t say I’ve been specifically directed to blunt or actually stop” Russian influence operations, NSA Director Mike Rogers shockingly revealed to the Senate Intelligence Committee this week. Rogers and the nation’s other top intelligence chiefs were on the Hill to provide their annual Worldwide Threats Assessment.

On this threat, the intel chiefs unanimously agreed: Russian information warfare against us continues unabated and the Kremlin will actively work to influence our upcoming elections. Trump’s own Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats even warned, “We need to inform the American public that this is real. We are not going to allow some Russian to tell us how we’re going to vote. There needs to be a national cry for that.”

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Rather than echo this cry from our intelligence community, the president is actively obstructing efforts to stop the attacks.

According to Coats, the intelligence chiefs “essentially are relying on the investigations that are underway,” which is to say that they are collecting intelligence on the threat, but they have not been directed by the president to stop it. There’s a critical difference between the two.

As a former Central Intelligence Agency operations officer, I imagine that there are agency-level efforts to counter Moscow’s attacks already underway, and that there is some interagency coordination. Patriotic officers throughout our intelligence and law enforcement communities are no doubt working hard to protect our country against this threat. But it requires a whole-of-government response that simply cannot exist without presidential leadership and authorization.

Without it, we’re left vulnerable to targeted Kremlin propaganda intended to manipulate, divide, and deceive America; our ability to ascertain truth and, with it, freely choose our own leaders will be compromised. That may benefit the president, but it serves Moscow’s interests, not ours. For the nation as a whole, this is a dangerous reality with which we still must come to terms.

A president who embraces foreign influence is new to the U.S. But it is not new to countries around the world that have for years watched their political classes fall in line behind Putin’s money, power, and influence. It isn’t just Eastern European countries like Ukraine, Serbia, Bulgaria, Moldova, and Czechia. Politicians in Germany, France, Italy, and other Western European leaders have welcomed or actively sought Kremlin support in various forms. Everywhere Putin’s corruption permeates, there are politicians willing to accept this devil’s bargain for their own personal gain. Our president is one of them.

I’ve hoped that the traditional pressures of American politics would force Trump to at least allow Congress and Executive Branch agencies to deter and counter Moscow’s meddling on their own. But even that has been a stretch. Trump still promotes divisive anti-American propaganda messaging from the Kremlin, and continues to cover for Putin by misleading Americans about Russian interference.

He has also worked to undermine new sanctions on Putin and his co-conspirators, months after begrudgingly signing them into law.

If the past two years have taught us anything about Trump, it’s that the conventions of our Republic are of little value to him and quickly discarded when they impede his pursuit of power and wealth. Regardless, they remain critical to our freedom and we must be united in defending them.

We must encourage lawmakers and social media platforms to work together to create policies and regulations that combat hostile disinformation campaigns while protecting free speech and enterprise. We must all become skilled at identifying and rejecting propaganda intended to divide us and cause us to believe the worst of each other. We must ensure that state and local officials are protecting the access to voting of all eligible citizens and that vote counting systems have auditable redundancies and other safeguards.

Most importantly, we must exercise our right to choose our own leaders in 2018 by voting like liberty in America depends upon us now. Because it does.

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Old 02-19-2018, 02:06 PM   #16
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Old 02-19-2018, 02:07 PM   #17
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Just like Bill Clinton did with China.....
If you couldn't reach for whataboutism with every post it would be as if you were permabanned.
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Old 02-19-2018, 02:10 PM   #18
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If you couldn't reach for whataboutism with every post it would be as if you were permabanned.
Aww, poor Dave....are you saying what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander?
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Old 02-19-2018, 02:12 PM   #19
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I suppose I'm not quite as jaded. I'd like to think that most American politicians would immediately inform the FBI and let them do their job.
I'd like to think that too, but I don't.
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Old 02-19-2018, 02:13 PM   #20
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Just like Bill Clinton did with China.....
What are you referring to here?
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What are you referring to here?
Oh, Donger...poor, poor Donger....

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Poor Donger? Okay, I wanted to be sure which deal you were talking about. While it wouldn't surprise me at all that Clinton took the money, it was never proven, right? But the Chicoms certainly tried.
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I think it pretty clear that if it helps him, he welcomes it or whatever other "help" he can get, even if's from Russia or another hostile foreign power.
So it’s ok if you don’t define the foreign power as hostile? Like say the United Kingdom or Australia?
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POTUS on Romney: "A few months ago, when you were asked what’s the biggest geopolitical threat facing America, you said Russia."
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So it’s ok if you don’t define the foreign power as hostile? Like say the United Kingdom or Australia?
I wouldn't say it's okay. But I'd say it's worse if the foreign nation is hostile, yes. Wouldn't you?
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I wouldn't say it's okay. But I'd say it's worse if the foreign nation is hostile, yes. Wouldn't you?
They are all hostile. All alliances,treaties and agreements are fleeting. Particularly those that involve themselves in our domestic politics.
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They are all hostile. All alliances,treaties and agreements are fleeting. Particularly those that involve themselves in our domestic politics.
I wouldn't say that. I think some can be trusted more than others, but with the caveat that they will all work in their best interest, just like they should and so should we. Some shouldn't be trusted at all.
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I wouldn't say that. I think some can be trusted more than others, but with the caveat that they will all work in their best interest, just like they should and so should we. Some shouldn't be trusted at all.
You have to say that after your initial stance. “Be polite to every foreigner you meet but have a plan to kill them all.” Applies or if you prefer,”trust but verify.”
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