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Old 04-09-2017, 08:57 AM  
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Okay, so WHAT exactly is so goddamn great about the 2018 QB class?

I see a loooooot of question marks here. A bunch of guys who would be 3rd or 4th rounders in THIS draft class if they declared this year. A bunch of these dudes are so young they might not even declare for the draft. And finally, we got a bunch of spread QBs who.... [gasp!]... need time to acclimate to an NFL pro style offense and develop the footwork and timing of taking snaps under center.

I see Sam Darnold. That's great. There's your #1 overall. IF HE ****ING DECLARES, THAT IS. I see Josh Rosen, who looked good in 2015 but could wind up as another Christian Hackenburg who never puts it all together. And I see a bunch of dried cum with question marks, JUST LIKE THIS QB DRAFT CLASS.

Here's how Walter Football has them ranked:

1. Sam Darnold, USC
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA
3. Luke Falk, Washington State
4. Josh Allen, Wyoming
5. Jarrett Stidham, Auburn
6. Nick Fitzgerald, Mississippi State
7. Chase Litton, Marshall
8. Riley Ferguson, Memphis

COULD this be an awesome and deep draft class for QBs? Yes, absoutely. No question about it. But guess what. There's an equal chance that this QB class flames out and looks just as bad as the 2013 class, particularly if Sam Darnold doesn't declare.

People who bitch about the 2017 class don't ****ing get it. They think if there's no true top end QB, that means they all suck. What do the Chiefs ****ing care about the quality of the top guys in a given QB draft class? We're not going to be in a position to draft them!

Again, let me say this slowly, so the retards and assholes can hear me:

In ANY GIVEN DRAFT CLASS, the top QB prospects with the best resumes and attributes are irrelevant to the QB draft needs of the Chiefs. The Chiefs have zero shot at picking any of them. The worst teams with the biggest QB needs will draft all of these players before Dorsey can even begin to pick up the goddamn phone to call and move up.

Tell me what we gain from NOT drafting a QB in 2017 so we can draft Josh Allen, Jarrett Stidham, or Chase ****ing Litton in 2018, a FULL YEAR LONGER where Alex Smith is the only ****ing thing we have at QB.
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Old 04-09-2017, 02:11 PM   #46
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In this case it's actually true, though.

And if we reach for a middling prospect this year, there's a very good chance we blow our shot at a real first round prospect next year.

The best play to is to trade our 2017 1st for a 2018 1st and then use that ammo to try and move up in 2018.
Who is going to be there at 27 that someone would want to trade a potential high 1st round pick next year for?
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Old 04-09-2017, 02:18 PM   #47
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Chiefs could find their Carr. Why not draft 2 QB's if their there. Redskins did it in 2012 with RGIII and Cousins. Bottom line is the Chiefs need to try and develop their own QB.

In the Playoffs last year the Chiefs were the only team to play with a QB they didn't draft. Miami played with there backup who they didn't draft I believe. Tananhill who they drafted would've helped them as well as Carr would've improved the Raiders chances. I see a pattern here.

Patriots -Brady
Oakland-Cook
Steelers-Big Ben
Texans-Savage

Miamai-Moore (not drafted/not the starter)
Chiefs-Smith (not drafted)

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Old 04-09-2017, 02:19 PM   #48
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Who is going to be there at 27 that someone would want to trade a potential high 1st round pick next year for?
I don't know dude. You never know who a team has on their draft board or who is going to fall.

Look at the bags of shit these teams traded future first round picks for:

Jason Campbell
Tony Ugoh
Alphonse Smith
Everette Brown
Mark Ingram

The best of that group was Joe Staley.

History says the Chiefs can absolutely trade #27 for a first round pick in 2018.
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Old 04-09-2017, 02:25 PM   #49
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Financially doesn't make sense if your QB has to sit for 2 years. You figure year 3 is then basically a rookie year, and your having to make decisions on a contract without really knowing what you've got.

I'm all for not playing a guy till he's ready, but if it's more than a year, I'm not interested. Especially for a first round pick.
It's hard to find guys that are ready to go that quickly. If anything, a QB's first year or two won't be good anyway.

It's all about drafting good players most of the time. Hell Houston and Peters alone are going to cost a shit ton of $$ combined in 2-3 years.
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Old 04-09-2017, 02:26 PM   #50
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Not a fan of trading back to the 4th round (110) for a 1st next year, that may or may not turn into a QB.

I also think if anyone is trading back into the 1st, it is going to be to get in front of Houston, or with Seattle to get in front of us.
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Not a fan of trading back to the 4th round (110) for a 1st next year, that may or may not turn into a QB.
Huh? What happened to our second and third round picks? We're not giving those up.
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Old 04-09-2017, 02:32 PM   #52
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It's hard to find guys that are ready to go that quickly. If anything, a QB's first year or two won't be good anyway.

It's all about drafting good players most of the time. Hell Houston and Peters alone are going to cost a shit ton of $$ combined in 2-3 years.
How many guys have had to sit 2 years? 1 year sure, although I still think you learn more by playing but a year is fine.

Every qb that has failed and has been said "if they'd have sit a year to be ready they'd have been good" has been on or in shitty situations
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Old 04-09-2017, 02:35 PM   #53
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Huh? What happened to our second and third round picks? We're not giving those up.
I just used NE trading their 1st for pick #110 and a 1st the following year.
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I just used NE trading their 1st for pick #110 and a 1st the following year.
Yeah. They kept their 2nd and 3rd round picks bud. You make it sound like the Chiefs trade 1, 2 and 3 when you say "trade back to the 4th"

You lose your first round pick, but you get another one the following year. That's the point.

What player are the Chiefs going draft at #27 that will have more potential impact than a franchise QB in 2018?

The draft is always a crapshoot, a gamble. Gamble big. You can package two 1st rounders in 2018 and your 2019 1st to move up into the top 10 if need be. You can ABSOLUTELY go and get yourself a QB if you have the balls.
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Old 04-09-2017, 02:52 PM   #55
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Yeah. They kept their 2nd and 3rd round picks bud. You make it sound like the Chiefs trade 1, 2 and 3 when you say "trade back to the 4th"

You lose your first round pick, but you get another one the following year. That's the point.

What player are the Chiefs going draft at #27 that will have more potential impact than a franchise QB in 2018?

The draft is always a crapshoot, a gamble. Gamble big. You can package two 1st rounders in 2018 and your 2019 1st to move up into the top 10 if need be. You can ABSOLUTELY go and get yourself a QB if you have the balls.
Didn't mean to make it sound that way. I knew we would still have our 2nd and two 3rds this year.

Just not a fan of your plan right now. Now come draft day I might be... depending on who is still available after the Browns and Cards pick at 12 and 13.
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Financially doesn't make sense if your QB has to sit for 2 years. You figure year 3 is then basically a rookie year, and your having to make decisions on a contract without really knowing what you've got.

I'm all for not playing a guy till he's ready, but if it's more than a year, I'm not interested. Especially for a first round pick.
I'm not advocating for them to sit two years, sit one. But the next year there will probably be some growing pains.
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I'm not advocating for them to sit two years, sit one. But the next year there will probably be some growing pains.
Yeah and that's fine. Put a good d around him, better running game and the weapons they have and ease him in
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Yeah and that's fine. Put a good d around him, better running game and the weapons they have and ease him in
So basically you are getting a jump start of a year if they think a guy this year is good enough
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Yeah. They kept their 2nd and 3rd round picks bud. You make it sound like the Chiefs trade 1, 2 and 3 when you say "trade back to the 4th"

You lose your first round pick, but you get another one the following year. That's the point.

What player are the Chiefs going draft at #27 that will have more potential impact than a franchise QB in 2018?

The draft is always a crapshoot, a gamble. Gamble big. You can package two 1st rounders in 2018 and your 2019 1st to move up into the top 10 if need be. You can ABSOLUTELY go and get yourself a QB if you have the balls.
And then 1/4 guys doesn't declare while NYJ, Jags and 49ers take the other 3 amd we're stuck with our dick in our hand.
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