The Official "Lost" the series discussion

[Deberg_1990]

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I don't know why you think your interpretation is 'thinking outside the box.' Honestly, I don't know how your interpretation is all that different than my 'theory' that this was a show about nothing more than being a show on ABC from 2004-2010. If it's all in Jack's mind, then it's all just a story, something to be told episodically on prime time television. No one else means jack or squat, all their character arcs are just stories dreamed up about strangers. 'What they died for' means jack squat. Whatever shortcomings the series has in retrospect, it's exponentially more satisfying than the story you're telling.

That may be true. But it doesn't mean that I'm incorrect.

The show runners made the show about Jack and his journey for "redemption". They've stated on several occasions that they knew exactly how the show would end, they just needed to know how much time they'd have to flesh out the back stories of the other characters.

Now, that doesn't mean that as a TV show, the other characters were meaningless because in the bigger picture, Jack needed those people to grow and move on to the next world. But in the end, it was Jack's story. If the show had ended after season three, it would have ended the same exact way for Jack.

And despite what some people are suggesting, all of the passengers on flight 815 were dead.

The end credits where they show the wreckage with absolutely no sign of life prove it.

[Buck]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That may be true. But it doesn't mean that I'm incorrect.

The show runners made the show about Jack and his journey for "redemption". They've stated on several occasions that they knew exactly how the show would end, they just needed to know how much time they'd have to flesh out the back stories of the other characters.

Now, that doesn't mean that as a TV show, the other characters were meaningless because in the bigger picture, Jack needed those people to grow and move on to the next world. But in the end, it was Jack's story. If the show had ended after season three, it would have ended the same exact way for Jack.

And despite what some people are suggesting, all of the passengers on flight 815 were dead.

The end credits where they show the wreckage with absolutely no sign of life prove it.

Dane, whats sort of pissing me off is your "I'm right and I'm not even going to give anyone elses theory a chance" attitude.

I gave your theory a read, but just the way that you put it, almost insulting our intelligence for not seeing it the same way as you, that was off-putting.

If you had mentioned it, I would have said I respectfully disagree with you, but you pretty much flamed everyone out of the gates.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Buck

Dane, whats sort of pissing me off is your "I'm right and I'm not even going to give anyone elses theory a chance" attitude.

I gave your theory a read, but just the way that you put it, almost insulting our intelligence for not seeing it the same way as you, that was off-putting.

If you had mentioned it, I would have said I respectfully disagree with you, but you pretty much flamed everyone out of the gates.

Where did I say that anyone else was wrong? All I've said is that someone else may have a different idea or opinion, but that doesn't make me incorrect.

There is a difference.

[Buck]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Where did I say that anyone else was wrong? All I've said is that someone else may have a different idea or opinion, but that doesn't make me incorrect.

There is a difference.

Maybe I am misinterpreting what you are trying to say, but at the end of your posts you say "The End." or "End of Story."

Also, I think you are a pretty smart guy, you seem that way, I just don't get how you could think the way you are thinking.

Then again they left it open for interpretation, so maybe I'm being the dick here.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Buck

Dane, whats sort of pissing me off is your "I'm right and I'm not even going to give anyone elses theory a chance" attitude.

I gave your theory a read, but just the way that you put it, almost insulting our intelligence for not seeing it the same way as you, that was off-putting.

If you had mentioned it, I would have said I respectfully disagree with you, but you pretty much flamed everyone out of the gates.

There are two ways to look at this, IMO:

1. Take the show at face value. The Smoke Monster, the Egyptians, Jacob, his mother, flash backs, flash forwards, flash sideways - all of it. Each character is earning his or her redemption, allowing them to pass on to the next world but they're all waiting until Jack's journey is completed. Once that's happened, they all move on to heaven, Nirvana, etc.

2. Everyone died on Flight 815. Jack has a flash just before death, in which he creates this entire epic world in which he's the hero and goes from a man of science to a man of faith. Once that journey's complete in his mind, he dies and goes to heaven.

Personally, I see it as Number Two but as I've said repeatedly throughout this thread (and personally apologizing for offending anyone), that's MY interpretation only.

I'm not trying to convince anyone.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Buck

Maybe I am misinterpreting what you are trying to say, but at the end of your posts you say "The End." or "End of Story."

Also, I think you are a pretty smart guy, you seem that way, I just don't get how you could think the way you are thinking.

Then again they left it open for interpretation, so maybe I'm being the dick here.

Nah dude, it's all good and I apologize to you for offending you or your sensibilities.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And despite what some people are suggesting, all of the passengers on flight 815 were dead.

The end credits where they show the wreckage with absolutely no sign of life prove it.

I don't have the time to look for it, but I read that during the end credits you can see Jack's makeshift blue tarp medical tent in one of the photos. I don't know if it is true or not, I'm just throwing it out there.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I don't have the time to look for it, but I read that during the end credits you can see Jack's makeshift blue tarp medical tent in one of the photos. I don't know if it is true or not, I'm just throwing it out there.

During the second shot of the airplane remains on the beach, there is a blue towel that's blowing in the wind because it's pinned down by some debris.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

During the second shot of the airplane remains on the beach, there is a blue towel that's blowing in the wind because it's pinned down by some debris.

That makes better sense then.

One thing I noticed - when Kate was with Jack leaving the party, she was sporting the killer black dress. When she spoke with Jack in the car, she was wearing the same thing. Moments later, when he rejoins the lostaways in the farewell, she's got a lame blue top and slacks.

[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by Buck

Dane, whats sort of pissing me off is your "I'm right and I'm not even going to give anyone elses theory a chance" attitude.

I gave your theory a read, but just the way that you put it, almost insulting our intelligence for not seeing it the same way as you, that was off-putting.

If you had mentioned it, I would have said I respectfully disagree with you, but you pretty much flamed everyone out of the gates.

I agree with you. Hes afraid to answer my question I have asked him 3 times now

So Dane for the FOURTH time Darlton said that everything that happened on the island was real What happened happened. Why not believe them?

[Huffmeister]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The end credits where they show the wreckage with absolutely no sign of life prove it.

So the footprints in the sand and piles of clothes were not signs of life? And where were the bodies of the other people on the plane? If they were showing a plane crash where everyone died, you'd think they would have, oh I don't know, shown some dead people.

[Mile High Mania]

Screen caps of the final scenes...

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displa...404&fullsize=1

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displa...267&fullsize=1

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displa...603&fullsize=1

In that last one, part of me says "Hmmm, is that a person in the middle wearing black?"

[Mile High Mania]

I would like someone to really dig into a comparison of the Oceanic 815 wreckage and that from the final credits footage... is it the same?

[Huffmeister]

Best line from the finale: "I don't believe in a lot of things, but I do believe in duct tape."

[Mr. Plow]

Just watched it a 2nd time. It's was almost better this time around.

My question to Dane, since he seems to feel fairly strongly about the "Everyone died during the crash" theory. I'll say, initially, I had the same thought. Mainly because of Jack essentially dieing in the same place and the same way that he woke up on the island. My question is, if this was all a dream, why the need for Ben to apologize to John at the end for what he had done to him? Just seems to me that if this were a dream by Jack, scenes like that wouldn't be necessary. Probably a dumb question, but wanted to see what you thought.