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Old 04-12-2013, 06:26 AM  
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Greinke Brawls..breaks collarbone

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The Los Angeles Dodgers won the game Thursday night against the San Diego Padres, but their pennant hopes certainly took a hit.

Dodgers starter Zack Greinke fractured his left collarbone in a bench-clearing brawl during the Dodgers' 3-2 victory over the Padres at Petco Park, prompting enraged Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp to confront Padres left fielder Carlos Quentin in the clubhouse tunnel after the game.

Padres starter Clayton Richard and security guards intervened before another fight ensued.

The brawl started when Quentin was hit in the shoulder by Greinke's pitch in the sixth inning. He took several steps towards the mound with his bat, dropped it, and charged Greinke. It was the second time in four years that Greinke hit Quentin, but Quentin was intercepted by Kansas City Royals catcher Miguel Olivo and home-plate umpire Bill Hohn back on April 9, 2009, when Greinke pitched for the Royals and Quentin played for the Chicago White Sox.

This time, no one held anyone back, with Greinke, Kemp and Jerry Hairston ejected from the Dodgers, along with Quentin.

The biggest losers, of course, were the Dodgers, with Greinke sidelined for an indefinite period. He's scheduled to see Los Angles physician Neal ElAttrache on Friday. Greinke signed a six-year, $147 million free-agent contract during the winter.

"My teammate now has a broken f------ collarbone,'' Hairston told reporters. "Excuse my language, but that's unbelievable.''

Said Quentin: "It's unfortunate. It could have been avoided. You can ask Zack about that.

"For me, I've been hit by many pitches in my career. I think you guys know that. I can tell you I've never responded in that fashion, so you guys can do your homework on that. For me, the situation is done. That's it.''

Quentin was most infuriated, he told reporters, by what Greinke told him after he was hit.

"That was the final straw,'' he said.

Kemp, enraged by the incident, met face to face with Quentin in the hallway after the game at Petco Park. He followed Quentin into the parking lot and saying: "We'll see, b----,'' according to the Los Angeles Times.

"That's terrible for him to charge the mound like that,'' Kemp told reporters. "I think Carlos Quentin went to Stanford. I heard there's some smart people at Stanford. That wasn't too smart.''

Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said that Quentin shouldn't be permitted to play another game until Greinke can pitch.

"We're in a 2-1 game and on a 3-2 pitch to a guy that I see on the [score]board set a record for the Padres by getting hit, a guy who basically dives into the plate,'' Mattingly said, according to the MLB.com report. "In a 2-1 game, we're trying to hit him, 3-2?

"It's just stupid is what it is. He should not play a game until Greinke can pitch. If he plays before Greinke pitches, something is wrong.''

Said Greinke: "The only thing I'm going to say about the whole thing that happened there is I've never hit him on purpose. I never thought of hitting him on purpose.''

Quentin has long been a magnet for pitches. In 2004, he set a minor league record by getting plunked 43 times, and he led the major leagues the past two seasons, getting hit 23 times in 2011 and 17 times last year, even though he played just 86 games.

Greinke told reporters he thought Quentin's umbrage in reacting to getting hit by pitches was "a ploy" to intimidate pitchers.

"I figured he was trying to intimidate pitchers so they wouldn't throw inside,' he said.

The Dodgers and Padres play again Monday, this time, in Los Angeles at Dodger Stadium on Jackie Robinson Day.



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Old 04-12-2013, 02:36 PM   #166
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He tried to put a little extra on a fastball and missed his spot. It happens. If Quentin would have made any attempt to get out of the way, there isn't a problem.
yeah, he "missed his spot" right into his shoulder.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:37 PM   #167
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[QUOTE=KChiefer;9580820]The fact that Greinke hits Quentin at a 16 times higher rate than other batters isn't dumb, it's evidence.[/

Quentin gets hit more than anyone in baseball. Any pitcher that pitches against him consistently and isn't afraid to pitch inside is going to have a higher rate against him than other batters.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:38 PM   #168
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He tried to put a little extra on a fastball and missed his spot. It happens. If Quentin would have made any attempt to get out of the way, there isn't a problem.
But he has thrown at him on purpose before, so I don't think you can say it's out of the question. I don't think Greinke cared one way or the other, nor should he have, but he was going inside no matter what. If it hit him, then so be it.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:38 PM   #169
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But he has thrown at him on purpose before, so I don't think you can say it's out of the question. I don't think Greinke cared one way or the other, nor should he have, but he was going inside no matter what. If it hit him, then so be it.
Throwing inside and not caring if he gets hit is much different than hitting him intentionally.
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But he has thrown at him on purpose before, so I don't think you can say it's out of the question. I don't think Greinke cared one way or the other, nor should he have, but he was going inside no matter what. If it hit him, then so be it.
I agree with this. He obviously didn't throw at him intentionally, but he isn't a pussy that's going to nibble at the corner or grove one over the middle of the place because he's scared the little bitch might get mad at him if the ball is inside.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:50 PM   #173
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Here is a quote from this link regards Grienke's contract with the Dodgers:

http://www.truebluela.com/2012/12/9/...etails-dodgers

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●2013: $17 million

●2014: $24 million

●2015: $23 million

●2016: $24 million

●2017: $23 million

●2018: $24 million

Bowden also reported that Greinke can opt out after three years, and that if Greinke is traded at any point in the contract he can opt our of the contract at the end of that season.
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So Grienke gets at least $115,000 per game, even though he only is going to play in 25% of the games at most. Effectively that contract has him making at least $500,000+ per start.

Considering that, he should have turned around and started running to Centerfield after he realized that yelling at Quentin had the expected result of Quentin charging the mound.

Pride is a sumb*tch apparently. Truth be told, Greinke contributed to getting himself hurt. And that means he is robbing most of $115,000+ per game that he gets from the Dodgers.

This injury could affect his pitching even when he returns.

Quentin should get the normal length suspension, Grienke and the Dodger catcher are more responsible than Quentin for the fact that Grienke gets to steal money from the Dodgers for doing nothing but rehabbing.
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yeah, he "missed his spot" right into his shoulder.
1-run game with no outs, after Greinke came back to fill the count after falling behind him 2-1? Obvious look of frustration after he hit him?

Greinke didn't hit him on purpose. If you still think he did, then you are being silly.

A lot of pitchers have hit Quentin repeatedly, and there's a reason for that. The dude suits up in body armor and hangs out over the plate. Thats perfectly legal, but if getting hit is practically your game plan, you can't charge the mound.
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Here is a quote from this link regards Grienke's contract with the Dodgers:

http://www.truebluela.com/2012/12/9/...etails-dodgers

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Bowden also reported that Greinke can opt out after three years, and that if Greinke is traded at any point in the contract he can opt our of the contract at the end of that season.
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So Grienke gets at least $115,000 per game, even though he only is going to play in 25% of the games at most. Effectively that contract has him making at least $500,000+ per start.

Considering that, he should have turned around and started running to Centerfield after he realized that yelling at Quentin had the expected result of Quentin charging the mound.

Pride is a sumb*tch apparently. Truth be told, Greinke contributed to getting himself hurt. And that means he is robbing most of $115,000+ per game that he gets from the Dodgers.

This injury could affect his pitching even when he returns.

Quentin should get the normal length suspension, Grienke and the Dodger catcher are more responsible than Quentin for the fact that Grienke gets to steal money from the Dodgers for doing nothing but rehabbing.
I don't think you are supposed to take all your stupid pills at the same time.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:00 PM   #178
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Here is a quote from this link regards Grienke's contract with the Dodgers:

http://www.truebluela.com/2012/12/9/...etails-dodgers

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Here is the year-by-year breakdown of Greinke's contract, per Jim Bowden of ESPN and XM Radio:

●$12 million signing bonus

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●2016: $24 million

●2017: $23 million

●2018: $24 million

Bowden also reported that Greinke can opt out after three years, and that if Greinke is traded at any point in the contract he can opt our of the contract at the end of that season.
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So Grienke gets at least $115,000 per game, even though he only is going to play in 25% of the games at most. Effectively that contract has him making at least $500,000+ per start.

Considering that, he should have turned around and started running to Centerfield after he realized that yelling at Quentin had the expected result of Quentin charging the mound.

Pride is a sumb*tch apparently. Truth be told, Greinke contributed to getting himself hurt. And that means he is robbing most of $115,000+ per game that he gets from the Dodgers.

This injury could affect his pitching even when he returns.

Quentin should get the normal length suspension, Grienke and the Dodger catcher are more responsible than Quentin for the fact that Grienke gets to steal money from the Dodgers for doing nothing but rehabbing.
Well that post is ten pounds of stupid stuffed into a five pound bag.
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Well that post is ten pounds of stupid stuffed into a five pound bag.
But did he do it on purpose?
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Considering that, he should have turned around and started running to Centerfield after he realized that yelling at Quentin had the expected result of Quentin charging the mound.
The problem with your theory is that this was pre-meditated. CQ told a teammate that if Greinke ever hit him again, he'd go after him. Greinke did not say something that caused him to charge the mound, it was going to happen come hell or high water. CQ, and ONLY CQ, are responsible for Greinke's injury. Nobody else.

Oh, and turn and run for center field, are you friggen' kidding me? Not a chance in hell, and it is ridiculous for anyone to expect him to do that. He would be known for the rest of his career as "Greinke the Coward"
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