Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot at public event

[JohnnyV13]

Giffords shot at meet n greet in front of a tucson safeway. Early reports 12 wounded. 4 confirmed dead, early reports say giffords was shot in the head. 3 of her staff are also wounded. No report from the hospital on giffords.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

She's alive and in intensive care. The bullet was through and through and went through the brain. The doctor is optimistic about her recovery. The shooting happened just 10 miles away from my fiancee's Uncle's house. We live in Flagstaff which is a good five hours away from there and having only lived here for over a year I hate it. Arizona is such a lame state. I don't feel like I live in America but in Mexico with the majority of people here being Mexican and/or Native American.

[fan4ever]

Originally Posted by KC native

Your point?

It ain't preemptive when the first volley's been fired.

[gblowfish]

Has Sarah Palin been brought in for questioning yet?
She might be an accessory.

I'm kidding, but I certainly hope this guy doesn't turn up to be a aluminum foil hat wearing right wing watch lister.

[Cave Johnson]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Perp's Youtube page.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

Yup, he's a nutjob.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

I don't feel like I live in America but in Mexico with the majority of people here being Mexican and/or Native American.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

She's alive and in intensive care. The bullet was through and through and went through the brain. The doctor is optimistic about her recovery. The shooting happened just 10 miles away from my fiancee's Uncle's house. We live in Flagstaff which is a good five hours away from there and having only lived here for over a year I hate it. Arizona is such a lame state. I don't feel like I live in America but in Mexico with the majority of people here being Mexican and/or Native American.

The bullet went THROUGH the brain and she's going to recover? I'm not a doctor, but WTF?

[gblowfish]

Originally Posted by Pants

The bullet went THROUGH the brain and she's going to recover? I'm not a doctor, but WTF?

My understanding is since it went through clean, it didn't explode inside her head, which would have been certainly fatal. She's not out of the woods by any means. But she's got a fighting chance.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

My understanding is since it went through clean, it didn't explode inside her head, which would have been certainly fatal. She's not out of the woods by any means. But she's got a fighting chance.

It really is crazy how resilient human beings really are.

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by Pants

The bullet went THROUGH the brain and she's going to recover? I'm not a doctor, but WTF?

It's possible, if the bullet didn't scramble the frontal lobe or damage the stem.
I watched a documentary about a kid that got hit in the head from a stray bullet from some gang pulling a drive-by, had to have ~1/3 of his brain removed and he lived through it. Seemed pretty normal too, except for the huge cavaty in his head.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by Pants

The bullet went THROUGH the brain and she's going to recover? I'm not a doctor, but WTF?

Probably hit the top of her head and went right through. If it stays away from the middle and frontal parts of the brain then someone can be fine.

[Bambi]

If sarahpac.com wasn't offline today and the "target map" been removed then it wouldn't have been noteworty.

But when you put out targets on politicians to your followers in a militant style graphic/ideology/whatever then you can't just throw up your hands and say "why blame me"?

If there wasn't anything to worry about then why did sarah palin's site remove the map?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

If sarahpac.com wasn't offline today and the "target map" been removed then it wouldn't have been noteworty.

But when you put out targets on politicians to your followers in a militant style graphic/ideology/whatever then you can't just throw up your hands and say "why blame me"?

If there wasn't anything to worry about then why did sarah palin's site remove the map?

Damned if she did, damned if she doesn't. It matters not in either case, she's still going to be lynched even though the shooter is probably mentally insane.

[Donger]

Christ, what the hell was he shooting that had 16 shots in the mag?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by orange

Some evidence has already come forth, you know.

4:41 PM ET Jared Lee LoughnerHuffPost's Sam Stein:

There will be, in the next few days, painstaking efforts to uncover and understand the background of Jared Lee Loughner, the alleged shooter of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. And right now reporters are generally going off of bits of information taken, primarily, from Google searches.

The most illustrative window is Loughner’s YouTube account, which appears to be hub of anti-government zealotry, obsession over currency and language standards, and, to put it bluntly, outright paranoia.

“In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can’t trust the current government because of the ratifications: the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar,” he writes in one video posting. “No! I won’t pay debt with a currency that’s not backed by gold and silver! No! I won’t trust in God!”

Here is a link to Loughner’s YouTube site.

There are also some biographical details that can be culled from the page. Loughner attended Mountain View High School, Northwest Aztec Middle College, and Pima Community College. He also appears to have been in the armed forces, at one point in time.

“Every United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix is receiving one mini bible before the tests,” he writes in one video. “Jared Loughner is a United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests."

Oh, so he is just a fucking nutter? Gold standard and no God? Sure sounds like a Palin-worshipper to me.

What say you, HolmeZ?

[JohnnyV13]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Apparently, you don't know what a libertarian is since the common denominator of them is the non-aggression doctrine.

I've reading for over a year now to prepare for social unrest. It's arrived.

BEP, this isn't me taking shots at libertarian philosophy. This is me living in tuscon and me being in giffords district. I actually have seen both giffords and her 2010 opponent jesse kelly in local meet n greets.

There are a lot of fringe types who talk libertarian rhetoric but are hardly philosophical purists. In the local repub (kelly) events, these were the maddest types. Combine that with youth and an arizona wild west attitude and you've got a bad formula.

Obviously, there are nutjobs of every stripe. But i have played poker with a number of young guys here who spout mangled libetarian stuff they get from glenn beck. They call themselves libertarian and are really socially obnoxious. (As in wanting to talk politics at a poke game).