Cardinals ***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 231

**BigRedChief** · 08:16 PM

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.”

It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.

Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.

The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face.

Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.

The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:

* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.

The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.

The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.

The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.

The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.

The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
— Bernie

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-30-2013, 05:18 PM

Tries to pull another outside FB, rolls over on it and GIDP. A-****ing-gain.

The guy is a goddamned swamp of partial birth abortions.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-30-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Or worse.

No. That was exactly what was expected. He leads MLB in GIDP for a reason.

Prison Bitch · 07-30-2013, 05:20 PM

The pitch was def inside half and he did hit it hard, seeing the replay. Not that I care because I caught it flipping past, turning it to espn now

Rams Fan · 07-30-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

$8 million/year is a damn good price. Plus, he can hit leadoff and let Carpenter hit second while Holliday drops to the five hole.

The length of the contract, plus salary, is too much, IMO.

I'd much rather go for a younger option that costs less, but most teams don't trade guys like Jean Segura for highly valued pitching prospects.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-30-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The pitch was def inside half and he did hit it hard, seeing the replay. Not that I care because I caught it flipping past, turning it to espn now

You have to watch Cardinal games consistently to truly understand how ****ing worthless Holliday is, given his apparently worth to everyone else.

He stands as the greatest living testament against sabermetrics. Throw his WAR, wOBA, wRC+, out. Throw it all out. When you need a good at-bat, when you need a hit, when you need someone to catch a routine flyball, he absolutely will **** it up.

He's the Karl Malone of baseball.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-30-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

The length of the contract, plus salary, is too much, IMO.

I'd much rather go for a younger option that costs less, but most teams don't trade guys like Jean Segura for highly valued pitching prospects.

He's played like a $16 million dollar player the last two years and actually gives the Cardinals something they completely lack: speed.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-30-2013, 05:32 PM

Thank you, Blazek.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-30-2013, 05:43 PM

Another ****ing lineout.

Al Bundy · 07-30-2013, 05:58 PM

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-30-2013, 05:59 PM

Of ****ing course. Of ****ing course.

Gets squeezed to put both runners on. Induces weak contact and the ball bounces off his goddamned glove, past the SS, and into left for the win.

This team is ****ing cursed.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-30-2013, 06:00 PM

That was a sure DP if he doesn't stick his goddamned glove out, and if Kozma doesn't sprint toward second to go after the meaningless run.

Horrible baseball. Just a stupid ****ing team.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-30-2013, 06:04 PM

Siegrist threw 21 pitches. The umpire missed four of them. That's ****ing awful:

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-30-2013, 06:11 PM

This Pirate team is not good, but they are the luckiest bunch of ****s I've ever seen. To have their run differential and that record is a complete joke.

We should be eight games up by Pythagorean records.

ImAWalkingCorpse · 07-30-2013, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This Pirate team is not good, but they are the luckiest bunch of ****s I've ever seen. To have their run differential and that record is a complete joke.

We should be eight games up by Pythagorean records.

Now you're just being an idiot.

Marco Polo · 07-30-2013, 06:14 PM

Saw this on a Cards message board about the prospect we got for Scrabble:

@TonyIBI: Herrera was a highly regarded lower level SS that Indians loved. Made big strides this year with game but just loaded with SS in system.

If you are wondering who @TonyIBI is he covers the Indians and all of of their minor league teams. He's also the one who broke the original news of an Indians/Cardinals trade.

01-25-2013, 05:27 PM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3169627 VARSITY	*OFFICIAL* 2013 STL Cardinals Thread From Bernie's column: People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.” It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year. Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944. A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS. The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face. Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88. Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective: * Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90. * Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92). * The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa. The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160. The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati. The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium. The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA. The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball. The Cardinals really earned this. Thanks for reading ... — Bernie Last edited by BigRedChief; 10-02-2013 at 08:16 PM..
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07-30-2013, 05:18 PM	#3451
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Tries to pull another outside FB, rolls over on it and GIDP. A-****ing-gain. The guy is a goddamned swamp of partial birth abortions. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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07-30-2013, 05:20 PM	#3453
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07-30-2013, 05:32 PM	#3457
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Thank you, Blazek. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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07-30-2013, 05:43 PM	#3458
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Another ****ing lineout. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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07-30-2013, 05:58 PM	#3459
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07-30-2013, 05:59 PM	#3460
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Of **ing course. Of ing course. Gets squeezed to put both runners on. Induces weak contact and the ball bounces off his goddamned glove, past the SS, and into left for the win. This team is **ing cursed. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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07-30-2013, 06:00 PM	#3461
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	That was a sure DP if he doesn't stick his goddamned glove out, and if Kozma doesn't sprint toward second to go after the meaningless run. Horrible baseball. Just a stupid ****ing team. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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07-30-2013, 06:04 PM	#3462
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Siegrist threw 21 pitches. The umpire missed four of them. That's ****ing awful: __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
Posts: 74,825

07-30-2013, 06:11 PM	#3463
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	This Pirate team is not good, but they are the luckiest bunch of ****s I've ever seen. To have their run differential and that record is a complete joke. We should be eight games up by Pythagorean records. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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07-30-2013, 06:14 PM	#3465
Marco Polo Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 41°59.4′N 87°39.6'W Casino cash: $5828908	Saw this on a Cards message board about the prospect we got for Scrabble: @TonyIBI: Herrera was a highly regarded lower level SS that Indians loved. Made big strides this year with game but just loaded with SS in system. If you are wondering who @TonyIBI is he covers the Indians and all of of their minor league teams. He's also the one who broke the original news of an Indians/Cardinals trade.
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