Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 503

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**DeezNutz** · 07-25-2013, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm not sure how much help they can find in FA, though.

Best OF available:

Carlos Beltran (would be cool if he comes back, but he's ancient and probably wants to play for a team that is a lock to contend, rather than a hope)

Jacoby Ellsbury (not gonna happen... too much $$$$ for KC)

Choo (I'd love it, but would KC really go 5/$18 million for a FA OF? And is Choo worth that commitment to KC?)

Nelson Cruz (Maybe you get a discount for the 50 games he'll miss next season?)

Mike Morse (Really can't play RF, but if they're shopping in FA for an OF, he's my favorite option that I think they actually COULD sign)

Jason Kubel (Not a bad mid-tier option, but also not really a RF)

After that, you get to guys like David Murphy, Franklin Gutierrez, David DeJesus, Marlon Steroids, I mean Byrd, etc.

FA SP:
Ervin Santana (too up-and-down for a long-term deal in KC)

Matt Garza (not coming)

Josh Johnson (How's that shoulder, Joshie?)

Ubaldo Jimenez (Yuck)

There's just not much you'd want to commit to long-term on the FA market.

I don't think they're going to find a star RF/2B or SP in FA this offseason. The market is thin, and the only options out there will be expensive and fraught with significant risk.

Minor league outfield depth? Anyone with a fast riser in the system who is blocked?

WhawhaWhat · 07-25-2013, 08:58 AM

Mike Moustakas is hitting .271 since June 1. However only 3 HRs and 7 RBIs in that time.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 07-25-2013, 09:02 AM

I'm not against making Cain the full time RFer for a couple years... Wait on guys like Eibner, Fletcher to see if they pan out... There are also options like hunter pence or colby rasmus that will be coming into FA... but with Lough and Cain, RF isn't really THAT big of a need when you have that gaping freaking hole at 2B still staring at us... And still need moar pitching.

duncan_idaho · 07-25-2013, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

If they can have a year like Melky Cabrera and Jeff Francoeur had in 2011, I'll take anyone on steroids.

He's having that year right now, I think.

Roiding up for the contract year. Then cycling down once he's got a big, guaranteed deal.

WhawhaWhat · 07-25-2013, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

I'm not against making Cain the full time RFer for a couple years... Wait on guys like Eibner, Fletcher to see if they pan out... There are also options like hunter pence or colby rasmus that will be coming into FA... but with Lough and Cain, RF isn't really THAT big of a need when you have that gaping freaking hole at 2B still staring at us... And still need moar pitching.

David Lough is not an everyday RF. If they can find a power bat in RF, they should do whatever they can to get that person in a Royals jersey because they need both.

WhawhaWhat · 07-25-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

He's having that year right now, I think.

Roiding up for the contract year. Then cycling down once he's got a big, guaranteed deal.

1-year deal then.

Prison Bitch · 07-25-2013, 09:07 AM

The best 1M we could spend this offseason is buying out Dayton's last year.

duncan_idaho · 07-25-2013, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Minor league outfield depth? Anyone with a fast riser in the system who is blocked?

The Dodgers (Joe Pederson) make some sense, as does Nick Castellanos of the Tigers. The Marlins also have an OF logjam and might be willing to move Justin Ruggiano. The only other team with position player logjam (the Rangers) probably just took care of a big piece of it.

The Royals Brett Eibner also bears watching... since June 1, he is:

.268/.333/.541

with 11 HR, 6 3B and 8 2B

It's the first time he has really succeeded as a hitter. It's possible the light has gone on for a guy with huge upside and RH power. It's also possible it's just a hot streak that doesn't mean anything.

mr. tegu · 07-25-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

David Lough is not an everyday RF. If they can find a power bat in RF, they should do whatever they can to get that person in a Royals jersey because they need both.

The only reason people say that is because the other position players are not producing enough power so they think we need to upgrade over a player who is producing because he plays a position that often holds power hitters. If that is not the case for you, what makes you think he isn't an everyday RF?

**DeezNutz** · 07-25-2013, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The Dodgers (Joe Pederson) make some sense, as does Nick Castellanos of the Tigers. The Marlins also have an OF logjam and might be willing to move Justin Ruggiano. The only other team with position player logjam (the Rangers) probably just took care of a big piece of it.

The Royals Brett Eibner also bears watching... since June 1, he is:

.268/.333/.541

with 11 HR, 6 3B and 8 2B

It's the first time he has really succeeded as a hitter. It's possible the light has gone on for a guy with huge upside and RH power. It's also possible it's just a hot streak that doesn't mean anything.

Nice. Thanks. I would imagine that the latter would necessitate Holland, which would be a bit tough in the division.

WhawhaWhat · 07-25-2013, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

The only reason people say that is because the other position players are not producing enough power so they think we need to upgrade over a player who is producing because he plays a position that often holds power hitters. If that is not the case for you, what makes you think he isn't an everyday RF?

The team is loaded with guys that are small and hit singles. They don't need any more of them. If they are going to look for someone to add in the OF, then David Lough is going to be the guy that goes every time. They aren't getting a lot of power from adding a guy at 2B and I don't think Gordon, Moose or Hosmer are going anywhere anytime soon.

Great Expectations · 07-25-2013, 09:32 AM

Kyle Zimmer is pitching tonight in Springfield.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 07-25-2013, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

David Lough is not an everyday RF. If they can find a power bat in RF, they should do whatever they can to get that person in a Royals jersey because they need both.

The options out there that we would have to trade for are not much of an upgrade, but would cost in trade... hence why i would rather stand pat for a year or two.

**DeezNutz** · 07-25-2013, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

The options out there that we would have to trade for are not much of an upgrade, but would cost in trade... hence why i would rather stand pat for a year or two.

But our self-constructed window closes after next season, thanks to Dayton ****ing Moore.

FML.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 07-25-2013, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The Dodgers (Joe Pederson) make some sense, as does Nick Castellanos of the Tigers. The Marlins also have an OF logjam and might be willing to move Justin Ruggiano. The only other team with position player logjam (the Rangers) probably just took care of a big piece of it.

The Royals Brett Eibner also bears watching... since June 1, he is:

.268/.333/.541

with 11 HR, 6 3B and 8 2B

It's the first time he has really succeeded as a hitter. It's possible the light has gone on for a guy with huge upside and RH power. It's also possible it's just a hot streak that doesn't mean anything.

At this point is Eibner going to be a ML Thirdbaseman or is he gonna be making a position switch before he gets here?

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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1840308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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