My Humble Chiefs 2015 Draft Thoughts

[Sully]

I guess the most basic thing to ask is, Did we upgrade?" While i don't think that answer has been clear in the previous two drafts, I do believe in this draft we definitively improved at several positions, and set ourselves up for some great play over the next few seasons.

Round 1- Peters- This pick worries me. Getting kicked off a team is a huge deal, especially when you are as talented as this guy. The coaches must've felt that they had to send a message, and that his behavior was bad enough to lose his stellar play. The question that can't be answered for a while is, 'Was it a wake-up call?" I hope so. But is it an upgrade? Absolutely. Peters may be, within a season, the best CB on the roster.

Round 2- Morse- Yeah... Lot's of teeth gnashing and ripping of clothes over this one. Yes, it was a reach (kind of). Yes, it's not at a position that's sexy. But, again, was it an upgrade? Without question. The Chiefs' line needs improvement. We are staring down the barrel of starting a center who was a late round pick, and who didn't see the field last year. Could he be great? Absolutely. (And I don't think the Morse pick is as much of an indictment on Kush as others). I think that the pick was the confluence of a few things. The Chiefs obviously like Morse. Given. But they wanted someone who could play Center if Kush sucks, but also play another position at a high level if Kush won the job, as well. Once they chose Peters over Ervin, this was pretty much the pick they needed to make. I also think Morse is pretty good. So regardless of where he plays, it's an upgrade (we were that bad).

Round 3- Conley- OK, I wanted this kid. For the first time in my life, I yelled and got excited about a damn 3rd round pick. It's ridiculous. But I love Conley. I think he is perfect for what we do (with a few tweaks), and will be one of the top 2 or 3 receivers from this draft as we look back on it. Am I delusional? Abso-****ing-lutely. Never make a statement like that about a 3rd round pick three days after the draft... idiot. However, I love this guys brain, his passion, and his ****ing speed. Is he an upgrade over Bowe? You bet your ass he is. He's going to open up our offense to allow us to do more things. Let me rant for a minute. Over the past few years, Bowe did a few things, but really what he was "best" at was catching a quick slant in tight coverage. Balls snapped, quick slant, 4-6 yards. Extended handoff as they say. But the thing is, why was the coverage always that tight? because Bowe was ****ing slow. He's not going to beat anyone off the line. Even if he gets to a CB's back hip, there's plenty of time for the back to recover. I'd like to see the Chiefs runa few of these slants to Conley. Let's see him turn one into a 20-30 yard gain, because he beat his man and the safety had to come up. Let's see them slant-go his ass, and burn someone for 60. I think he'll work out just fine. (Again, i admit I'm delusional.)

Round 3- Nelson- In the "is this an upgrade" question, I'm not sure. Is this guy better than Gaines? Is he better than Cooper? I don't know. I actually like those two guys, so I don't know.

Round 4- Wilson- The problem highlighted in the online scouting reports is the same problem I have when I watch the (admittedly limited) vids on youtube. He seems to stick to blocks. I love the speed, but unless he learns to scrape and find run throughs a little better, he's gonna have a tough time. I talked to a buddy of mine who graduated from UGA, and who is die hard, and he loves Wilson, but admitted, he isn't gong to play much behind the line of scrimmage. That said, do you all remember that up until Haley got here, DJ was thought of as sort of a bust? The biggest thing he learned that turned him from average to great, was how to shoot through windows. previously, DJ would run around trash to get to the PoA, and that would take away his angle, and give up yards. Suddenly, it was striking how he could shoot through an open window, and use his speed and athleticism to cut off a runner's angle. If Wilson can be taught that, he could be a beat. it's a simple tech, he just has to be open to the coaching.

However,

Round 5- Alexander- Seems to do a better job of finding those windows and using his speed. He should also be amazing on Special teams. Overall, the two ILBs will be an upgrade above a slow Mauga, and possibly hobbled DJ. It just may not be as immediate as above players.

ROund 5- O'Shaughnessy- I've watched one YouTube, and read one report, but I'm sold. For a #2 backup, he's more athletic and/or accomplished than anyone else we have, and even Fasano. Can he block? Apparently.

Round 6- Nunez-Rochez- Not impressed. Seems to have good burst through gaps, so maybe a passing sub, but I don't know that he'll be much more than that. If he's used to spell Poe, it's an upgrade. If not... meh.

Round 7- DaRon Brown- Can he cover kicks? That's all that matters.


I'm very happy with this draft. I think we upgraded a ton at several positions. I'm excited to see these guys moving forward, as I think we have got a great core to help the team now, and build around in the future.

[Rausch]

I think this is by far our best draft by Dorsey.

Our top 3 picks should be competing for a starting job day one and starting by the end of the year.

Even our second CB should be contributing heavily by the end of the year and between him and Gaines I'm confident one of them will be able to take over the no 2 role if Smith leaves as a FA...

[RunKC]

Who would you have taken in round 2? Here were the picks after Morse.

Ronald Darby-Drafted Peters 1st rd
Nate Orchard-Already have enough pass rushers right now.
Jordan Phillips-Not a big fan of this guy
Jake Fisher-Not as good as Morse IMO. He's weak.
Ameer Abdullah-Don't need a RB
Maxx Williams-I would say this is a legit guy we could have taken.
Senzquez Golson-Midget nickel CB? Would rather have Steven Nelson.
Rob Havenstein-Can't draft a fatty, plus we have enough tackles.
Markus Golden-See Nate Orchard
Ty Sambrailo-See Rob Havenstein. No fatty's for CP amirite?
Randy Gregory-**** no.
Ali Marpet-Can't draft a fatty amirite?!
Quinten Rollins-See Ronald Darby
Frank Clark-See Nate Orchard. Also had huge character concerns of abuse.
Jordan Richards-Slow safety. Don't think he fits us at all.

So Maxx Williams?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I think this is by far our best draft by Dorsey.

agreed

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I think this is by far our best draft by Dorsey.

Our top 3 picks should be competing for a starting job day one and starting by the end of the year.

Even our second CB should be contributing heavily by the end of the year and between him and Gaines I'm confident one of them will be able to take over the no 2 role if Smith leaves as a FA...

good points.

[Skyy God]

I'm really liking the Conley pick, especially given his SPARQ score (a measure of overall athleticism) was in the 99th percentile for NFL WRs.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I understand the Morse pick from a positional standpoint, but the player himself?

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[jonzie04]

i'm really excited for peters, nelson and conley. i've had a huge crush on peters for a very long time now. i'm just now coming around to conley more, i thought he was a workout warrior, but after watching his game, the guy has some freakish aj green like body control and has a great set of hands on him.

also very excited about nelson. i think the guy could end up being an even better version of brandon flowers. he has the same temperament, but he's an even better tackler and has more size and strength.

i'm not a huge fan of the morse pick, i thought it was foolish to pass up on jalen strong for him. also thought there were better center prospects available. i really love his punch but he has a very weak anchor. ive seen defensive ends such as zadarius smith successfully bull rush him, and i really wonder if his lower body is strong enough to anchor against an nfl caliber dt. that being said though i do think he could develop into a really good interior lineman if he can improve his anchor.

the te shag looks very promising as well, i was very surprised when i watched his highlight clip. it wouldnt surprise me if he beats out harris by the end of the season.

i would have rather taken strong or gregory in round 2, clemmings round 3 comp, and mcbride at any point after that. but overall we got a nice haul.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Sully

I guess the most basic thing to ask is, Did we upgrade?" While i don't think that answer has been clear in the previous two drafts, I do believe in this draft we definitively improved at several positions, and set ourselves up for some great play over the next few seasons.

Round 1- Peters- This pick worries me. Getting kicked off a team is a huge deal, especially when you are as talented as this guy. The coaches must've felt that they had to send a message, and that his behavior was bad enough to lose his stellar play. The question that can't be answered for a while is, 'Was it a wake-up call?" I hope so. But is it an upgrade? Absolutely. Peters may be, within a season, the best CB on the roster.

Round 2- Morse- Yeah... Lot's of teeth gnashing and ripping of clothes over this one. Yes, it was a reach (kind of). Yes, it's not at a position that's sexy. But, again, was it an upgrade? Without question. The Chiefs' line needs improvement. We are staring down the barrel of starting a center who was a late round pick, and who didn't see the field last year. Could he be great? Absolutely. (And I don't think the Morse pick is as much of an indictment on Kush as others). I think that the pick was the confluence of a few things. The Chiefs obviously like Morse. Given. But they wanted someone who could play Center if Kush sucks, but also play another position at a high level if Kush won the job, as well. Once they chose Peters over Ervin, this was pretty much the pick they needed to make. I also think Morse is pretty good. So regardless of where he plays, it's an upgrade (we were that bad).

Round 3- Conley- OK, I wanted this kid. For the first time in my life, I yelled and got excited about a damn 3rd round pick. It's ridiculous. But I love Conley. I think he is perfect for what we do (with a few tweaks), and will be one of the top 2 or 3 receivers from this draft as we look back on it. Am I delusional? Abso-****ing-lutely. Never make a statement like that about a 3rd round pick three days after the draft... idiot. However, I love this guys brain, his passion, and his ****ing speed. Is he an upgrade over Bowe? You bet your ass he is. He's going to open up our offense to allow us to do more things. Let me rant for a minute. Over the past few years, Bowe did a few things, but really what he was "best" at was catching a quick slant in tight coverage. Balls snapped, quick slant, 4-6 yards. Extended handoff as they say. But the thing is, why was the coverage always that tight? because Bowe was ****ing slow. He's not going to beat anyone off the line. Even if he gets to a CB's back hip, there's plenty of time for the back to recover. I'd like to see the Chiefs runa few of these slants to Conley. Let's see him turn one into a 20-30 yard gain, because he beat his man and the safety had to come up. Let's see them slant-go his ass, and burn someone for 60. I think he'll work out just fine. (Again, i admit I'm delusional.)

Round 3- Nelson- In the "is this an upgrade" question, I'm not sure. Is this guy better than Gaines? Is he better than Cooper? I don't know. I actually like those two guys, so I don't know.

Round 4- Wilson- The problem highlighted in the online scouting reports is the same problem I have when I watch the (admittedly limited) vids on youtube. He seems to stick to blocks. I love the speed, but unless he learns to scrape and find run throughs a little better, he's gonna have a tough time. I talked to a buddy of mine who graduated from UGA, and who is die hard, and he loves Wilson, but admitted, he isn't gong to play much behind the line of scrimmage. That said, do you all remember that up until Haley got here, DJ was thought of as sort of a bust? The biggest thing he learned that turned him from average to great, was how to shoot through windows. previously, DJ would run around trash to get to the PoA, and that would take away his angle, and give up yards. Suddenly, it was striking how he could shoot through an open window, and use his speed and athleticism to cut off a runner's angle. If Wilson can be taught that, he could be a beat. it's a simple tech, he just has to be open to the coaching.

However,

Round 5- Alexander- Seems to do a better job of finding those windows and using his speed. He should also be amazing on Special teams. Overall, the two ILBs will be an upgrade above a slow Mauga, and possibly hobbled DJ. It just may not be as immediate as above players.

ROund 5- O'Shaughnessy- I've watched one YouTube, and read one report, but I'm sold. For a #2 backup, he's more athletic and/or accomplished than anyone else we have, and even Fasano. Can he block? Apparently.

Round 6- Nunez-Rochez- Not impressed. Seems to have good burst through gaps, so maybe a passing sub, but I don't know that he'll be much more than that. If he's used to spell Poe, it's an upgrade. If not... meh.

Round 7- DaRon Brown- Can he cover kicks? That's all that matters.


I'm very happy with this draft. I think we upgraded a ton at several positions. I'm excited to see these guys moving forward, as I think we have got a great core to help the team now, and build around in the future.

Nice.

I have similar thoughts on most of the picks. Would prefer to see Morse at RG rather than C. Think Nelson is going to be primarily used in the slot. Wilson is meh but Alexander's intriguing. Really like the O'Shaughnessy pick. Nunez-Rochez looked like he got the majority of his snaps as a shade/1. Curious to see if they use him there or as a 3-technique. I have not watched Brown at all, so no comment.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Who would you have taken in round 2? Here were the picks after Morse.



So Maxx Williams?

That was the big problem in not being able to move up in the 2nd. That run on ILB's and Wr's really limited KC. FWIW, I would have preferred Maxx Williams, Fisher and maybe even "reach" on Lockett.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by jonzie04

i'm really excited for peters, nelson and conley. i've had a huge crush on peters for a very long time now. i'm just now coming around to conley more, i thought he was a workout warrior, but after watching his game, the guy has some freakish aj green like body control and has a great set of hands on him.

also very excited about nelson. i think the guy could end up being an even better version of brandon flowers. he has the same temperament, but he's an even better tackler and has more size and strength.

i'm not a huge fan of the morse pick, i thought it was foolish to pass up on jalen strong for him. also thought there were better center prospects available. i really love his punch but he has a very weak anchor. ive seen defensive ends such as zadarius smith successfully bull rush him, and i really wonder if his lower body is strong enough to anchor against an nfl caliber dt. that being said though i do think he could develop into a really good interior lineman if he can improve his anchor.

the te shag looks very promising as well, i was very surprised when i watched his highlight clip. it wouldnt surprise me if he beats out harris by the end of the season.

i would have rather taken strong or gregory in round 2, clemmings round 3 comp, and mcbride at any point after that. but overall we got a nice haul.

In past drafts not only did I not like the prospect but I sat there asking myself "what were they thinking?"

This year the talent was good, the need was there, and once you find out a little about the picks you know exactly what they were thinking.

Peters is a CB more like Dale Carter or Dion Sanders. Big playmaking potential, good ball skills, SUPER competitive guy. And just as import he brings swagger and an attitude with him that this secondary needs. Peters energy can bring a lift to everyone in that secondary and our locker room has the experience and character to bring him down when need be.

For a while now our secondary has been the little brother that benefited from the play of big-brother pass rush. Peters gives the secondary a guy that QB's fear and throw away from.

The Morse pick I can't pretend I'm super excited about but again I can see what they're thinking. He can compete for starting C and if injuries happen he can play G or C. His ideal spot would be C but he solid as a b/u G because he plays strong. On top of all this he's not a guy who could project to a number of spots - he's already done it. You know he's a team player because he's already moved no less than 3 times for his old team.
I can see what they're thinking there.

Conley is not only a combine freak but provides us with a legit deep threat as a 3rd round pick. It's also a need. This pick checks all the boxes. Talent, need, great value in the round he was selected. Add to that he's a very intelligent guy (read: should learn the offense and his responsibilities quickly) and it's impossible to hear him in an interview and not love the guy. IIRC 810 interviewed him and when asked about his media/journalism major responded that he could use that after his NFL career to perhaps transition to a media job. A guy thinking about life after fooball IN COLLEGE. This kid has his $3it together.

In each of these picks the position makes sense, there's a need, and the individual person makes sense. The only guy who wasn't excellent value (much better than where we picked them) was Morse and that's debatable.

My frustration with him the past few years was due to feeling like we didn't do this in his first or second draft. This draft is exactly what I was expecting when we hired Dorsey.

If we handle the situation right and can manage to sign Houston to a long term deal after the year this offseason will have been flawless.

****ing walk off grand slam of an offseason...

[Beef Supreme]

[Faddy Yomama]

Morse would've definitely been available for one of our 3rd round picks. We'll have to see how Conley plays out I guess.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Faddy Yomama

Morse would've definitely be available for one of our 3rd round picks. We'll have to see how Conley plays out I guess.

[Faddy Yomama]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Check out the boss editing on that post.

[RunKC]

I loved Lockett and would have loved him here, but I think they really wanted size at WR. Conley is a tall lanky guy with the same speed and the ability to jump and be a redzone target.

I am glad we took him over Lockett