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Jimmya · 03-24-2014, 07:22 PM

http://www.newschannel10.com/story/2...omeless-camper

Critics question the fatal shooting of a homeless camper
Posted: Mar 24, 2014 5:20 PM CDT
Updated: Mar 24, 2014 4:50 PM CDT

New Mexico - Critics of the Albuquerque Police Department are raising serious questions about the fatal shooting of a homeless camper.

38-year-old James Boyd argued with police for more three hours last Sunday about illegally camping in open space.

Boyd continued to refuse officer commands and began threatening their lives causing officers to open fire.

Boyd had a violent 20-year criminal history including multiple incidents of violence against officers and years of mental health related concerns.

**Easy 6** · 03-24-2014, 10:53 PM

If they had actually used a tazer that would've ended it, no one can take a shot from those and go on... if they have an honest coroner he'll confirm that there are no taser marks.

crazycoffey · 03-24-2014, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

If they had actually used a tazer that would've ended it, no one can take a shot from those and go on... if they have an honest coroner he'll confirm that there are no taser marks.

I've seen people pull the taser needles out of their skin while getting a full charge. Then I watched him pull his nut sack open (like hulk Hogan pulling his shirt off before a bout) and fling one of his nuts on the wall because he didn't think I could make him leave his house. He was being arrested for stabbing his brother in the leg because it was his turn to **** their mother that night and the other brother said no.

Rasputin · 03-24-2014, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

But what you don't understand, the game changed when he pulled out the knives. You don't taze a knife wielding man, capable of using them, regardless of his living conditions, religion, race or mental state. You meet deadly force with deadly force. If I'm there I do the same thing before he uses the knives against me, co-workers, or the dog.

The caveat being if he was a 80 year old man where it would be harder to believe the mans threats to kill me with knives he could barely hold, let alone swing or throw at the other officers.

Well I find that totally not true. In fact I witnessed a bike cop get off his bike and taze a dude coming at him that apparently had a knife. It happened right in front of our apartment like it was "Cops in 3d" The dude fell flat on his face onto concrete. The cop was then able to hand cuff him and they took him away. First the cop warned the guy but the guy who was a good 6'3" kept lunging for him and even told the cop to shoot. He used a tazer and down he went. So I know good and well tazers work & that is what they used to stop him in his tracks. So don't tell me tazers don't work I've seen it work.

crazycoffey · 03-24-2014, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Well I find that totally not true. In fact I witnessed a bike cop get off his bike and taze a dude coming at him that apparently had a knife. It happened right in front of our apartment like it was "Cops in 3d" The dude fell flat on his face onto concrete. The cop was then able to hand cuff him and they took him away. First the cop warned the guy but the guy who was a good 6'3" kept lunging for him and even told the cop to shoot. He used a tazer and down he went. So I know good and well tazers work & that is what they used to stop him in his tracks. So don't tell me tazers don't work I've seen it work.

And I've seen them not work too, see above. That's great that it worked in tat case, but if he had shot the guy it wouldn't be "murder".

HoneyBadger · 03-24-2014, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Well I find that totally not true. In fact I witnessed a bike cop get off his bike and taze a dude coming at him that apparently had a knife. It happened right in front of our apartment like it was "Cops in 3d" The dude fell flat on his face onto concrete. The cop was then able to hand cuff him and they took him away. First the cop warned the guy but the guy who was a good 6'3" kept lunging for him and even told the cop to shoot. He used a tazer and down he went. So I know good and well tazers work & that is what they used to stop him in his tracks. So don't tell me tazers don't work I've seen it work.

I've seen tazers not work too.

Video aside, are you saying you would risk dying by being stabbed because you tried to taze someone rather than shoot them?

It's basic policing, you meet force with force. A knife is deadly force.

Rasputin · 03-24-2014, 11:04 PM

Well just seems to me in this case the cops were tired of dealing with the guy so they let him have it. They were the ones being aggressive and agitating the guy who just wanted to be left alone. That's how I see it yet there are laws for vagrants not to sleep in parks. It was a bad stand off the guy lost.

HoneyBadger · 03-24-2014, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Well just seems to me in this case the cops were tired of dealing with the guy so they let him have it. They were the ones being aggressive and agitating the guy who just wanted to be left alone. That's how I see it yet there are laws for vagrants not to sleep in parks. It was a bad stand off the guy lost.

And I think common sense didn't win out. A normal person, with guns pointed at them, will do what they are told and not argue holding knives.

Randallflagg · 03-24-2014, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

No it's not, it's be same arguement that school shootings are on the rise, they really aren't, it's that news is easier to obtain. "Less than one half of one percent of all US police are as corrupt as you claim, that's better averages than clergymen". /Paul Harvey.

As to the rest of this story (see what I did there?) some of you have cinematic opinions about what a slightly moderate trained human being can do with a knife, let alone get lucky, I don't get paid enough money to take that chance, if I feel threatened, I'm pulling that trigger.

Like I said, I have no respect for police any longer. Haven't had any for the last 5 or so years. That cop in Texas that shot that 76 year old man because he reached for his cane (now a cane "looks" like a shotgun) is proof that they would rather shoot first - and then do the paperwork.

I did 2 tours in Viet Nam. I KNOW when to shoot and when NOT to shoot. I carried a weapon all over Europe for 13 years. 7 days a week, 365 days a year. I KNOW when to shoot and when NOT to shoot. PLEASE explain to me, how several officers staring at a man's back are in "immediate danger". If an intruder breaks into my home and I shoot him in the back - I will most likely face charges of murder. That man might have been fleeing from my home.

Finally, if you don't "get paid enough money to take that chance" - I suggest you find another way to earn a living.

**Easy 6** · 03-24-2014, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

I've seen people pull the taser needles out of their skin while getting a full charge. Then I watched him pull his nut sack open (like hulk Hogan pulling his shirt off before a bout) and fling one of his nuts on the wall because he didn't think I could make him leave his house. He was being arrested for stabbing his brother in the leg because it was his turn to **** their mother that night and the other brother said no.

So this guy not only shrugged off a tazer, but he tore open his scrotum and literally ripped off one of his nuts?

Am I reading that right, or am I missing some something here?

The mom part? I don't even...

Rasputin · 03-24-2014, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

I've seen tazers not work too.

Video aside, are you saying you would risk dying by being stabbed because you tried to taze someone rather than shoot them?

It's basic policing, you meet force with force. A knife is deadly force.

I also know that in some cases tazers don't work especially if a guy is on something and his adrenalin is rushing. In this case I said I thought the dog should have or could have been able to disarm him and take the guy down for the cops to come in. I wasn't even talking about tazing but that got brought up. Anyways I also think a woman could have talked her way to get the guy to sit down and eat a samwich then talk to the guy to stay somewhere else. The cops were aggressive from the start and lasted three hours & I think they could have handled it in a peaceful manner by being nice to begin with.

JMO.

crazycoffey · 03-24-2014, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Well just seems to me in this case the cops were tired of dealing with the guy so they let him have it. They were the ones being aggressive and agitating the guy who just wanted to be left alone. That's how I see it yet there are laws for vagrants not to sleep in parks. It was a bad stand off the guy lost.

It is absolutely a tragic way for him to go. I'm in full agreement with you that I don't like it ending this way, human life is very important to me. The decision to work in this field for 20 years now is not one I don't take lightly, I hope I act as well as I can in any situations I face and always hope three very serious things if I'm ever in this situation. That I go home, that I don't pull the trigger unless I have too and I can live with the decision.

Fishpicker · 03-24-2014, 11:13 PM

I'm not even sure that the 2 knives were the threat that set the cops off. The homeless man was speaking word salad and mentioned murder, assault, getting hurt, and takeover. we'll just count that as one verbal threat. he turned his back to the officers and the knives became visible. flashing knives and guns at cops, even unintentionally, is a threat. that's 2. The biggest threat is him turning around and picking up his backpack/box. 3

WHATS IN THE BAAAWWWWWXXX?!!?!

and the fourth threat is the obvious one, drawing knives.

crazycoffey · 03-24-2014, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

So this guy not only shrugged off a tazer, but he tore open his scrotum and literally ripped off one of his nuts?

Am I reading that right, or am I missing some something here?

The mom part? I don't even...

You got it. Sickos all of them. The brothers used to fight with samurai swords in the street. Have been arrested for flashing at the grocery store, have histories with drugs and running/fighting from/with us.

My partner had a little crusty piece of hairy ball sack on his calf area on his pants that we didn't notice until a couple hours later. Lol

Rasputin · 03-24-2014, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

And I think common sense didn't win out. A normal person, with guns pointed at them, will do what they are told and not argue holding knives.

Ok I get this for an argument. He didn't have any common sense. Someone else said suicide by cop that could also be the case.

I just think the dog could have put the guy down and cops subdue him & it would have been over in minutes.

Let the dog do his job.

**Easy 6** · 03-24-2014, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

You got it. Sickos all of them. The brothers used to fight with samurai swords in the street. Have been arrested for flashing at the grocery store, have histories with drugs and running/fighting from/with us.

My partner had a little crusty piece of hairy ball sack on his calf area on his pants that we didn't notice until a couple hours later. Lol

I was beginning to think... actually, I was hoping, that you were just laying it on thick there.

THEY should be the ones getting shot here...

03-24-2014, 07:22 PM
Jimmya Veteran Join Date: Dec 2012 Casino cash: $10024530	Cops & Homeless Man http://www.newschannel10.com/story/2...omeless-camper Critics question the fatal shooting of a homeless camper Posted: Mar 24, 2014 5:20 PM CDT Updated: Mar 24, 2014 4:50 PM CDT New Mexico - Critics of the Albuquerque Police Department are raising serious questions about the fatal shooting of a homeless camper. 38-year-old James Boyd argued with police for more three hours last Sunday about illegally camping in open space. Boyd continued to refuse officer commands and began threatening their lives causing officers to open fire. Boyd had a violent 20-year criminal history including multiple incidents of violence against officers and years of mental health related concerns.
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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $3757775	If they had actually used a tazer that would've ended it, no one can take a shot from those and go on... if they have an honest coroner he'll confirm that there are no taser marks.
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Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $3505421	Well just seems to me in this case the cops were tired of dealing with the guy so they let him have it. They were the ones being aggressive and agitating the guy who just wanted to be left alone. That's how I see it yet there are laws for vagrants not to sleep in parks. It was a bad stand off the guy lost.
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03-24-2014, 11:13 PM	#57
Fishpicker On one quarter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: I play all day Casino cash: $3357111	I'm not even sure that the 2 knives were the threat that set the cops off. The homeless man was speaking word salad and mentioned murder, assault, getting hurt, and takeover. we'll just count that as one verbal threat. he turned his back to the officers and the knives became visible. flashing knives and guns at cops, even unintentionally, is a threat. that's 2. The biggest threat is him turning around and picking up his backpack/box. 3 WHATS IN THE BAAAWWWWWXXX?!!?! and the fourth threat is the obvious one, drawing knives. __________________ A person who has been [ideologically] demoralized cannot assess true information. the [demoralization] process is complete and irreversible. -Yuri Bezmenov on Soviet Subversion
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