Chiefs Rap Sheet: Talks With Alex Smith Not Progressing Well - Page 109

CaliforniaChief · 05-05-2014, 10:25 AM

Team that will consider a 1st-round QB: The #Chiefs. Negotiations with Alex Smith aren’t progressing well. Must keep long-term options open
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) May 5, 2014

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-04-2014, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I agree whole-heartedly and think this is all quite logical. The question is if Dorsey - who just a year ago surrendered two second-round picks for this player - can be that logical. Does he have pressure to get more return on those picks than making the playoffs?

I guess... after years of following teams GMed by guys who are loyal to THEIR players and keep THEIR guys around too long to try to prove they were right (Fat Scott, Dayton), I'm gunshy about GMs being smart to avoid that pitfall...

The picks are a sunk cost - they're gone.

If he thinks that giving Alex Smith $18-20M a season is going to fetch him anymore of a return than he's already received, he needs to be shown the door.

I get what you're saying, and I agree - I'm concerned as well that he can't walk away and will make a bad decision trying to prove the R2's were worth it - I guess we'll know soon enough if we have a guy that will do what's right, or just more of what we're used to in KC.

Chief Roundup · 06-04-2014, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Because 1st round QBs are guaranteed to be franchise level players.

No they sure aren't but you can't hit a home run if you aren't looking for your pitch to hit over the fences either.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-04-2014, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

What attitude are you talking about? I have always wanted us to draft a QB in the first. Still do and I hope we will but with our past I have my doubts.

The attitude of not wanting to take the chance that a drafted QB might be worse than Smith.

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I sure don't want a QB any worse than Smith.

Just Passin' By · 06-04-2014, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Numbers from my own head for conversation's sake, but...

If Dorsey is already unwilling to pay Alex $18M, the CK deal isn't going to force him to pay Alex $20M.

That doesn't change my point, though, if you're right. It just, probably, increases the likelihood of Smith telling the team to piss off if the team low balls him.

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Originally Posted by Rausch

You're trying to equate a player who's 26 and one who's 30.

In 4 years Kap may be a much better QB than he is today. In 4 years Smith will be lucky to even be in the NFL.

One is about to enter his prime and one is about to exit it. It's not the same thing...

Kaepernick still can't really read defenses past a first look and just got 100+ million. That follows Cutler (30 years old), who chokes like a dog with chicken bones, getting 100+ million and Romo (33 years old), who's a better version of Cutler, also getting 100+ million. The financial guideposts are now there, established for veterans and developing QBs alike. I don't know what Smith is looking for, and I don't know if he'll settle for less than he's worth, but the general market for QBs just got bumped up.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-04-2014, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I don't like it anymore than you guys do but the market has been set. QBs are a commodity just like many other things. The market sets the price for the commodity.

The "market being set" doesn't mean we have to follow suit.

And personally, I don't think that Alex is in this "market" that supposedly Stafford, Ryan, Flacco and Romo set.

3 of those guys have to score damn near 30 points each week to have a chance to win, meanwhile, Alex has a career year and still can't come close to their benchmarks.

OldSchool · 06-04-2014, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The attitude of not wanting to take the chance that a drafted QB might be worse than Smith.

Would you be singing the same tune of Smith goes on to win elsewhere and our 1st round "franchise QB ray of hope" turns out to be a dud, forcing us to start over again?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-04-2014, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Would you be singing the same tune of Smith goes on to win elsewhere and our 1st round "franchise QB ray of hope" turns out to be a dud, forcing us to start over again?

Why don't you ask me how I'll feel if I win the lottery, get struck by lightning and get to titty**** Kate Upton all in the same day?

No one wanted Alex Smith besides KC, but now all of a sudden teams are going to line up to pay him $18M if we don't?

Discuss Thrower · 06-04-2014, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Would you be singing the same tune of Smith goes on to win elsewhere and our 1st round "franchise QB ray of hope" turns out to be a dud, forcing us to start over again?

Oh well.

Your best chance to win multiple SBs is with a first round QB. Always has, always will be.

duncan_idaho · 06-04-2014, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

That doesn't change my point, though, if you're right. It just, probably, increases the likelihood of Smith telling the team to piss off if the team low balls him.

Kaepernick still can't really read defenses past a first look and just got 100+ million. That follows Cutler (30 years old), who chokes like a dog with chicken bones, getting 100+ million and Romo (33 years old), who's a better version of Cutler, also getting 100+ million. The financial guideposts are now there, established for veterans and developing QBs alike. I don't know what Smith is looking for, and I don't know if he'll settle for less than he's worth, but the general market for QBs just got bumped up.

Which makes it even more necessary to focus on growing your own superstar QB and avoid overpaying for mediocre (mid-tier) guys.

O.city · 06-04-2014, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Why don't you ask me how I'll feel if I win the lottery, get struck by lightning and get to titty**** Kate Upton all in the same day?

No one wanted Alex Smith besides KC, but now all of a sudden teams are going to line up to pay him $18M if we don't?

I'm not sure they wouldn't be though.

Who's available would be a big determining factor.

O.city · 06-04-2014, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Which makes it even more necessary to focus on growing your own superstar QB and avoid overpaying for mediocre (mid-tier) guys.

This is the thing though, how many superstar QB's are there out there that are developed?

Look around the league at the guys who have been drafted and paid big money by their own teams.

As much as we all want Aaron Rodgers, it's a more likely scenario the "ceiling" guy you get for your draft is going to be a Matt Ryan type player. Now, that's not a bad thing at all, but I think the "1st round QB" mantra around here has become its own animal.

O.city · 06-04-2014, 04:25 PM

With any of these Qb's, paired with the way the league is and the money available, all that really matters is how soon you can get out of said deal.

The Cutler deal, which is lauded as being terrible, is one they can get out of in 3 years IIRC.

Just Passin' By · 06-04-2014, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Which makes it even more necessary to focus on growing your own superstar QB and avoid overpaying for mediocre (mid-tier) guys.

No, it doesn't, and I'm not getting caught up in that nonsense. It's been so thorougly debunked that you have to have a single digit I.Q. to still be bitching about that.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-04-2014, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I'm not sure they wouldn't be though.

Who's available would be a big determining factor.

AFCE Teams? All have their QB's.

AFCN? All set.

AFCS? Houston just let their Alex Smith walk, everyone else? Set.

AFCW?

NFCE? Nope.

NFCN? Nope.

NFCS? Nope. Tampa just signed McCown.

NFCW? Nope. Rams appear committed to Bradford, Arizona is paying Palmer $8M for similar production.

So again, who is going to pay Alex Smith $18M?

O.city · 06-04-2014, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

AFCE Teams? All have their QB's.

AFCN? All set.

AFCS? Houston just let their Alex Smith walk, everyone else? Set.

AFCW?

NFCE? Nope.

NFCN? Nope.

NFCS? Nope. Tampa just signed McCown.

NFCW? Nope. Rams appear committed to Bradford.

So again, who is going to pay Alex Smith $18M?

You're nope's are a little premature at this point.

The Bengals are set? Dunno. Titans are set? Doubtful.

Jets are already apparently doubtful with Geno as they brought in Vick who's been very vocal about starting etc.

I don't necessarily think the guy is worth 18 million, but I'm also not going to say in a certain system with the right things around him he isn't.

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