Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 600

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**RockChalk** · 08-07-2013, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

Call Shields what you will, but he's the lead dog in multiple ways on that Staff, not Santana. Not to mention, we didn't give up our Franchise RF'r for Santana.

I know what you're saying and I love the mentality he has brought to the staff, and the team as a whole. But Santana has been our best pitcher and I want him taking the hill in a must win.

Shields effort was garbage last night. Throwing 3-0 fastballs at 90mph right down the plate. I know our offense (whole different issue) can't seem to hit those pitches, but about 25 other mlb offenses can. And the Twins did, with ease.

Prison Bitch · 08-07-2013, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Mike Boddicker talked about this on the Border Patrol this morning. He said every pitcher goes through periods in the season where you basically have a dead arm for 2 to 3 starts and you just have to push through..

That's what I was seeing last nite. Got me to thinking: Why would we extend the guy? I mean, considering the 15M/per it would take....no thanks! TB used up his arm pushing him 220+ per year and he's got about 1 more excellent year IMO.

Look at Roy Halladay to see what happens after too much usage. Kaput!

**Bowser** · 08-07-2013, 09:25 AM

I would not be against the idea of sitting Shields his next start to let his arm rest a bit.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-07-2013, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

That's what I was seeing last nite. Got me to thinking: Why would we extend the guy? I mean, considering the 15M/per it would take....no thanks! TB used up his arm pushing him 220+ per year and he's got about 1 more excellent year IMO.

Look at Roy Halladay to see what happens after too much usage. Kaput!

Halladay had six straight years of 220+ innings before his body broke down. That's a really bad example.

SPATCH · 08-07-2013, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

That's what I was seeing last nite. Got me to thinking: Why would we extend the guy? I mean, considering the 15M/per it would take....no thanks! TB used up his arm pushing him 220+ per year and he's got about 1 more excellent year IMO.

Look at Roy Halladay to see what happens after too much usage. Kaput!

You are a parody of yourself.

Prison Bitch · 08-07-2013, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Halladay had six straight years of 220+ innings before his body broke down. That's a really bad example.

Shields has averaged 221.3 IP/yr the past 6 years. Therefore, I have no earthly idea what you're possibly disagreeing with here.

**DeezNutz** · 08-07-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

I would not be against the idea of sitting Shields his next start to let his arm rest a bit.

**** me.

**RockChalk** · 08-07-2013, 11:26 AM

CP getting sourced by Joel Goldberg. Which one of you is he?

@Royals_Report @ryan_landreth good detail here http://t.co/KUmJvoh60Z
— Joel Goldberg (@goldbergkc) August 7, 2013

Three7s · 08-07-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RockChalk

CP getting sourced by Joel Goldberg. Which one of you is he?

@Royals_Report @ryan_landreth good detail here http://t.co/KUmJvoh60Z
— Joel Goldberg (@goldbergkc) August 7, 2013

Hi Joel!

Fansy the Famous Bard · 08-07-2013, 01:39 PM

Joel, please get rid of dipshit in the booth. Hud is beyond horrible to listen to... even my 5, 8, and 10 yr old girls make fun of him....

DeepSouth · 08-07-2013, 01:45 PM

Has anyone heard who goes down to make room for Duffy?

seaofred · 08-07-2013, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

Joel, please get rid of dipshit in the booth. Hud is beyond horrible to listen to... even my 5, 8, and 10 yr old girls make fun of him....

I actually like Hud, but wouldn't have an issue with getting rid of Ryan.

seaofred · 08-07-2013, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepSouth

Has anyone heard who goes down to make room for Duffy?

Will Smith, but since he pitched last night, he wouldn't be available for a couple of days anyway.

CaliforniaChief · 08-07-2013, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepSouth

Has anyone heard who goes down to make room for Duffy?

Will Smith

Fairplay · 08-07-2013, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke

Joel, please get rid of dipshit in the booth. Hud is beyond horrible to listen to... even my 5, 8, and 10 yr old girls make fun of him....

I couldn't stand him either at first but he grows on you to the point to where you look forward to some of the crazy stuff that comes out of his mouth.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1790308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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