Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 44

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Pablo · 01-25-2013, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Fair enough. But, in my view, the Royals should be in the playoff hunt this year. I won't flip my shit if we're eliminated in the final few games, but if we're, for all intents, out of it at the break, DM needs to be fired.

It's win or GTFO time.

Most definitely this.

Three7s · 01-25-2013, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

Well yeah, I was just responding to a comment.

Most people don't equate "crash and burn" with an 80-something win season.

You don't give up the farm for 80 wins. THAT is crash and burn.

Unsmooth-Moment · 01-25-2013, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s

You don't give up the farm for 80 wins. THAT is crash and burn.

We weren't winning more than 80 with Myers either. We had to improve pitching. 2013 will probably be .500ish, but when we clear the Bruce Chen contract and the Frenchy contract, we should be able to put someone decent out in RF.

**DeezNutz** · 01-25-2013, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unsmooth-Moment

We weren't winning more than 80 with Myers either. We had to improve pitching. 2013 will probably be .500ish, but when we clear the Bruce Chen contract and the Frenchy contract, we should be able to put someone decent out in RF.

Could have won more than 80 with Myers and the FA pitcher whom we could have signed with the money we wouldn't have foolishly committed elsewhere.

The trade really was that ****ing stupid. But it's done, and DM needs to be right.

**SAUTO** · 01-25-2013, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Could have won more than 80 with Myers and the FA pitcher whom we could have signed with the money we wouldn't have foolishly committed elsewhere.

The trade really was that ****ing stupid. But it's done, and DM needs to be right.

I'm still depressed over it. They traded both my hopes.
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stonedstooge · 01-25-2013, 07:10 PM

LeadHead Ned needs to go first if he can't keep this team above .500

**DeezNutz** · 01-25-2013, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I'm still depressed over it. They traded both my hopes.
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I agree. I honestly try my best not even to think about it because it still pisses me the **** off to near summer '09 levels of frustration.

Myers better drink from a dick sock, and Shields better be tits.

duncan_idaho · 01-25-2013, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedstooge

LeadHead Ned needs to go first if he can't keep this team above .500

Yeah. If he truly wants to play for more HRs, his meddling on offense must stop. No more bunts except in close/late situations against stud pitchers, and then only if it is a shitty hitter.

Moore went all in for this year. I hope it works.

**SAUTO** · 01-25-2013, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I agree. I honestly try my best not even to think about it because it still pisses me the **** off to near summer '09 levels of frustration.

Myers better drink from a dick sock, and Shields better be tits.

I tear up when I think about it
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siberian khatru · 01-26-2013, 02:50 PM

Great stuff from Brett here:

http://kingsofkauffman.com/2013/01/2...ns-guest-post/

On his most memorable home runs: “The one in 80 [off of Goose Gossage in Game 3 of the ALCS] because I knew if we lost that game we were going to blow it. ..."

I felt the same way. If they didn't sweep the Yanks, they would've been swept in NY.

**alnorth** · 01-26-2013, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s

You don't give up the farm for 80 wins. THAT is crash and burn.

It is not.

Crash and burn is ~95 losses. 80 wins would be disappointing to a lot of people.

**alnorth** · 01-26-2013, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonedstooge

LeadHead Ned needs to go first if he can't keep this team above .500

I really can't agree with this. This might be damning with faint praise, but Ned Yost has been the least-stupid manager we've had in over 16 years, maybe longer. We're more likely to get someone dumber than not. Thats on top of the fact that the game of baseball in the American League has one of the least-relevant coach/manager type of positions in major pro sports.

If anyone should hang for a bad season, it begins and ends with DM.

Three7s · 01-26-2013, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

It is not.

Crash and burn is ~95 losses. 80 wins would be disappointing to a lot of people.

When you go "all in" like DM has, it's playoffs or bust, not "oh well we went .500 so it was okay I guess." That's the same kind of BS that the Chiefs feed people.

stevenidol · 01-26-2013, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB

Keith Law's take:

Arizona's return boils down to this: One year of Martin Prado, six years of a fifth starter in Randall Delgado, two fringy prospects, and one non-prospect. If that sounds like a good deal to you, I have some beachfront property in Phoenix to sell you.

#Dbacks expect to sign new 3B Prado, a free agent after 2013, to long-term extension in the near future, source said. Only way deal was made

— Jack Magruder (@JackMagruder) - Fox Sports beat writer for the D'backs.

**alnorth** · 01-26-2013, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s

When you go "all in" like DM has, it's playoffs or bust, not "oh well we went .500 so it was okay I guess." That's the same kind of BS that the Chiefs feed people.

I don't disagree.

That said, "crash and burn" is never, ever around .500, no matter what the circumstances, whether you are the Yankees or the Marlins.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1870308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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