Chiefs Chiefs have done the right thing with Herb Taylor

Boris The Great · 09-29-2008, 01:01 AM

I thought the game should have been proof enough of this, but amazingly I see a bunch of posts actually criticizing the coaching staff because Herb Taylor - who if you missed it, came right in at LT and hardly missed a beat - hasnt been playing at RT the past few games.

WHAT?

Try looking at the big picture when you think about this. Would Taylor be an upgrade over McIntosh at RT? Probably, yes. But what if Albert gets hurt? And its not as if that was unexpected, with him getting hurt in both minicamp and training camp with the same foot injury. Thankfully his injury in the game had nothing to do with that foot, but obviously the coaches considered the possibility that they may be without him at some point because it has been reported several times that Taylor hasnt taken snaps at RT.

Isnt it valuable to have a backup LT who can come in off the bench and play the way Taylor did?

Just think: what if they benched McIntosh a few weeks ago and put in Taylor? What would have happened when Albert got hurt? McIntosh would be the new LT, thats what. Who in the world wants to see that?

Or if they didnt do that, they would mix up everything and move Taylor back from RT to LT and put McIntosh back at RT after benching him, which is an even worse idea. McIntosh would be worse off at RT than he is now because he wouldnt have been getting the practice reps with the starters. To say nothing of the fact that he was benched and probably even less confident. And Taylor would be worse off at LT than he is now because he would have been trying to get things down at RT and would have to readjust on the fly.

Its like someone asking you if you want $50 today or $5 every day for 20 days. A lot of you would apparently take the $50 today. But the team looked at the bigger picture and kept Taylor working at LT. And look what happened, he came in and played well.

The bottom line is that if the team had benched McIntosh for Taylor at any point, they would be WORSE OFF right now than they actually are. Because they handled things well, hopefully we will get through Alberts injury with as little damage as possible. Instead of the days when we had a scrub like Jordan Black filling in for Willie Roaf, the team is actually being smart about their backup at one of the most important positions on the team.

And people here want to criticize them for it! Its amazing.

Basileus777 · 09-29-2008, 01:05 AM

Depth is important, but you want your best offensive linemen starting, particularly when the alternative is to have a sieve playing at RT every game. I'd rather have Herb start at RT and deal with an injury when it occurs, even if it means having McIntosh as the backup LT.

chiefbowe82 · 09-29-2008, 01:06 AM

I guess I'm confused your saying it's a good idea to start mcintosh cause it was obvious albert was going to hyperextend his elbow? Lets reverse thought what if mcintosh got hurt and taylor had to play RT...wait that never happens

Mecca · 09-29-2008, 01:13 AM

You start your best guys you don't put your 2nd best OT as your backup LT.

Sure-Oz · 09-29-2008, 01:17 AM

Just cut Mcintosh

BigRock · 09-29-2008, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_CHIEFS_06

I guess I'm confused your saying it's a good idea to start mcintosh cause it was obvious albert was going to hyperextend his elbow?

I'm not saying he's injury prone or any such thing like in that other thread, but the fact that Albert got hurt should not have come as a shock to anyone. If they were considering the possibility that he'd be hurt, presumably they thought it would be the foot that had been giving him trouble prior to the season. It ended up being a fluke elbow injury, but if he's missing time then he's missing time.

I was saying this same stuff earlier about Taylor. It's a unique situation because they had a right to be cautious with Albert. It's clear the team wanted to keep Taylor at LT because he hasn't been working on the right side. They must have had this scenario in mind and it ended up coming to pass. Now they've got a guy who can come right in without much of a dropoff, hopefully.

It ended up being a good move.

chiefbowe82 · 09-29-2008, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRock

I'm not saying he's injury prone or any such thing like in that other thread, but the fact that Albert got hurt should not have come as a shock to anyone. If they were considering the possibility that he'd be hurt, presumably they thought it would be the foot that had been giving him trouble prior to the season. It ended up being a fluke elbow injury, but if he's missing time then he's missing time.

I was saying this same stuff earlier about Taylor. It's a unique situation because they had a right to be cautious with Albert. It's clear the team wanted to keep Taylor at LT because he hasn't been working on the right side. They must have had this scenario in mind and it ended up coming to pass. Now they've got a guy who can come right in without much of a dropoff, hopefully.

It ended up being a good move.

I kindly disagree with you, You put your best OT's on the field, especially if they're young, maybe he should have been practicing with the right side then, who cares if albert gets hurt and we have to worry about a drop off..we're not trying to win a superbowl this year we're trying to devlop talent. Also why I believe Franklin/Webb, Carr, Williams should be starting.

RustShack · 09-29-2008, 01:40 AM

McIntosh isn't that bad of a LT and is a better one than he is RT... even now I would rather McIntosh be the LT and Taylor be the RT.

chiefs1111 · 09-29-2008, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

You start your best guys you don't put your 2nd best OT as your backup LT.

Unless you are Herm Edwards that is

Frankie · 09-29-2008, 09:14 AM

If Herb can play RT, why not have him be the starter there and make McIntosh Albert's backup? He was better at LT than he is at RT anyway.

Chief Faithful · 09-29-2008, 09:37 AM

Two reasons to start Taylor at RT:
1. You put your best players on the field
2. You put your players in the position where they are their best

Taylor is the best RT and second best OT on the roster. McIntoad is much better at LT than RT. Thus, both requirements are met.

Additional reasons:
1. McIntoads bad knee he is better at backup where there is less daily wear
2. Now is the time to develop the young linemen not after the rebuilding is complete
3. There is no reason to develop a 31 year old tackle

It makes no sense to me why McIntoad is the starting RT.

CoMoChief · 09-29-2008, 09:46 AM

McIntosh was alright playing LT when he was healthy.

He completely sucks making the transition to RT though.

Taylor would be a helluva upgrade over McIntosh at RT.......you put your best lineman on the field. Taylor is our teams 2nd best (maybe first as of now, but Albert will be the best given time) OT.....he needs to start.

More pass protection means more passing plays downfield which means more of an opened up running game which means more points.....etc.

Albert, Waters, Niswanger, Richarson, Taylor is what I would love to have.

NO ONE would be pushing Richardson off the line........I'd bet my house on that.

Mr. Laz · 09-29-2008, 10:00 AM

so sacrifice our starting lineup for depth

Brilliant!!!

blueballs · 09-29-2008, 10:28 AM

Do they need a vet next to Jones
asking the Herb to learn next to Jones may ruin him

bringbackmarty · 09-29-2008, 11:08 AM

Taylor=LTOF
Huard=qb rest of season.
Albert=rg or bust.

09-29-2008, 01:01 AM
Boris The Great Starter Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Chiefs have done the right thing with Herb Taylor I thought the game should have been proof enough of this, but amazingly I see a bunch of posts actually criticizing the coaching staff because Herb Taylor - who if you missed it, came right in at LT and hardly missed a beat - hasnt been playing at RT the past few games. WHAT? Try looking at the big picture when you think about this. Would Taylor be an upgrade over McIntosh at RT? Probably, yes. But what if Albert gets hurt? And its not as if that was unexpected, with him getting hurt in both minicamp and training camp with the same foot injury. Thankfully his injury in the game had nothing to do with that foot, but obviously the coaches considered the possibility that they may be without him at some point because it has been reported several times that Taylor hasnt taken snaps at RT. Isnt it valuable to have a backup LT who can come in off the bench and play the way Taylor did? Just think: what if they benched McIntosh a few weeks ago and put in Taylor? What would have happened when Albert got hurt? McIntosh would be the new LT, thats what. Who in the world wants to see that? Or if they didnt do that, they would mix up everything and move Taylor back from RT to LT and put McIntosh back at RT after benching him, which is an even worse idea. McIntosh would be worse off at RT than he is now because he wouldnt have been getting the practice reps with the starters. To say nothing of the fact that he was benched and probably even less confident. And Taylor would be worse off at LT than he is now because he would have been trying to get things down at RT and would have to readjust on the fly. Its like someone asking you if you want $50 today or $5 every day for 20 days. A lot of you would apparently take the $50 today. But the team looked at the bigger picture and kept Taylor working at LT. And look what happened, he came in and played well. The bottom line is that if the team had benched McIntosh for Taylor at any point, they would be WORSE OFF right now than they actually are. Because they handled things well, hopefully we will get through Alberts injury with as little damage as possible. Instead of the days when we had a scrub like Jordan Black filling in for Willie Roaf, the team is actually being smart about their backup at one of the most important positions on the team. And people here want to criticize them for it! Its amazing.
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09-29-2008, 01:05 AM	#2
Basileus777 MVP Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Jersey Casino cash: $5515958	Depth is important, but you want your best offensive linemen starting, particularly when the alternative is to have a sieve playing at RT every game. I'd rather have Herb start at RT and deal with an injury when it occurs, even if it means having McIntosh as the backup LT.
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09-29-2008, 01:06 AM	#3
chiefbowe82 Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	I guess I'm confused your saying it's a good idea to start mcintosh cause it was obvious albert was going to hyperextend his elbow? Lets reverse thought what if mcintosh got hurt and taylor had to play RT...wait that never happens
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09-29-2008, 01:13 AM	#4
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2727050	You start your best guys you don't put your 2nd best OT as your backup LT.
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09-29-2008, 01:40 AM	#8
RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $4796954	McIntosh isn't that bad of a LT and is a better one than he is RT... even now I would rather McIntosh be the LT and Taylor be the RT. __________________
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09-29-2008, 09:14 AM	#10
Frankie Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	If Herb can play RT, why not have him be the starter there and make McIntosh Albert's backup? He was better at LT than he is at RT anyway.
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09-29-2008, 09:37 AM	#11
Chief Faithful Predicting Chiefs Victory Join Date: Sep 2001 Casino cash: $9966500	Two reasons to start Taylor at RT: 1. You put your best players on the field 2. You put your players in the position where they are their best Taylor is the best RT and second best OT on the roster. McIntoad is much better at LT than RT. Thus, both requirements are met. Additional reasons: 1. McIntoads bad knee he is better at backup where there is less daily wear 2. Now is the time to develop the young linemen not after the rebuilding is complete 3. There is no reason to develop a 31 year old tackle It makes no sense to me why McIntoad is the starting RT.
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09-29-2008, 09:46 AM	#12
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8062254	McIntosh was alright playing LT when he was healthy. He completely sucks making the transition to RT though. Taylor would be a helluva upgrade over McIntosh at RT.......you put your best lineman on the field. Taylor is our teams 2nd best (maybe first as of now, but Albert will be the best given time) OT.....he needs to start. More pass protection means more passing plays downfield which means more of an opened up running game which means more points.....etc. Albert, Waters, Niswanger, Richarson, Taylor is what I would love to have. NO ONE would be pushing Richardson off the line........I'd bet my house on that. __________________
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09-29-2008, 10:00 AM	#13
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	so sacrifice our starting lineup for depth Brilliant!!! __________________
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09-29-2008, 10:28 AM	#14
blueballs Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Do they need a vet next to Jones asking the Herb to learn next to Jones may ruin him
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09-29-2008, 11:08 AM	#15
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