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Old 08-03-2019, 08:38 PM  
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Do you support an all put ban on guns?

This poll is for the librulz out there. Just what to see something. I think the whole gun grabbing thing is just a boogieman used by the right to keep their people in line. I don't think many or even most rational liberals support prohibition of guns. I could be totally wrong though. Trying to find out.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:39 AM   #31
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As long as you have guns, you will have deaths by gun. As long as you have gatherings, you will have multiple death scenarios.

And, thus, not surprisingly, as long as you have guns + gatherings, you will have 'mass shootings'.
I totally agree, but that doesn't mean don't need to approach the issue seriously, and look for solutions. It is a fact that gun violence is more prevalent in our country than in others
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:44 AM   #32
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Iím not listening until the loons and Dems can control the gun violence in their crown cities of Chicago and Baltimore. Or any dem controlled city.

They prove that can clean up their own messes. Then I would be willing to listen.


But they have zero statistical evidence to back up they know anything about gun control or whatís best for the American people as a whole.
Gun violence is not a "party" problem. I fail to see the distinction in whether these cities are republican or Democrat, other than the specific gun laws in those cities.

"Their own messes"? You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but i believe this separatist distinction on whose "mess" this is, is counterproductive
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:45 AM   #33
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Gun violence is not a "party" problem. I fail to see the distinction in whether these cities are republican or Democrat, other than the specific gun laws in those cities.

"Their own messes"? You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but i believe this separatist distinction on whose "mess" this is, is counterproductive
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:46 AM   #34
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I totally agree, but that doesn't mean don't need to approach the issue seriously, and look for solutions. It is a fact that gun violence is more prevalent in our country than in others
But violence in general is not. So remove the fetishism surrounding gun deaths and only focus on deaths in general. Then you'll find that countries who have focused on gun deaths have done nothing to stop violent deaths. Fact.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:47 AM   #35
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I totally agree, but that doesn't mean don't need to approach the issue seriously, and look for solutions.
There are no solutions that don't require massive violations of our rights or a massive overhaul of what human beings actually are. You cannot both have guns and have no gun deaths. And, even if you are willing to give up all rights, you will not stop the killing. You'll just alter the methods. When will you people get that through your heads? Gun control will do nothing but leave the population powerless against the power of the state. Stop buying into the bullshit of the left.


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It is a fact that gun violence is more prevalent in our country than in others
It's also a fact that the U.S. is the third most populous country in the world, and the most populous country not to have strong gun control. It's also a fact that the U.S. has more than 300 million guns. It's also a fact that the U.S. is not at the top of the list when it comes to per capita gun violence.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...ther-countries
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:57 AM   #36
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The bottom line is that guns are not really the problem. We have a behavioral problem. The gun is just the tool. Until we address why these sick individuals are doing what they are doing it will continue to be a problem.
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:00 AM   #37
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There are no solutions that don't require massive violations of our rights or a massive overhaul of what human beings actually are. You cannot both have guns and have no gun deaths. And, even if you are willing to give up all rights, you will not stop the killing. You'll just alter the methods. When will you people get that through your heads? Gun control will do nothing but leave the population powerless against the power of the state. Stop buying into the bullshit of the left.




It's also a fact that the U.S. is the third most populous country in the world, and the most populous country not to have strong gun control. It's also a fact that the U.S. has more than 300 million guns. It's also a fact that the U.S. is not at the top of the list when it comes to per capita gun violence.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...ther-countries
You make some very good points.
Is it your belief that there is no reasonable (maybe practical is a better word) way to reduce our per capita gun violence?
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:04 AM   #38
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There are no solutions that don't require massive violations of our rights or a massive overhaul of what human beings actually are. You cannot both have guns and have no gun deaths. And, even if you are willing to give up all rights, you will not stop the killing. You'll just alter the methods. When will you people get that through your heads? Gun control will do nothing but leave the population powerless against the power of the state. Stop buying into the bullshit of the left.




It's also a fact that the U.S. is the third most populous country in the world, and the most populous country not to have strong gun control. It's also a fact that the U.S. has more than 300 million guns. It's also a fact that the U.S. is not at the top of the list when it comes to per capita gun violence.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...ther-countries
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If I may add, freedom ain't free. It has a price tag. People have to decide which is most important to them, freedom or a false sense of security. That is literally the question when it comes to guns and gun control.
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:04 AM   #39
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There are no solutions that don't require massive violations of our rights or a massive overhaul of what human beings actually are. You cannot both have guns and have no gun deaths. And, even if you are willing to give up all rights, you will not stop the killing. You'll just alter the methods. When will you people get that through your heads? Gun control will do nothing but leave the population powerless against the power of the state. Stop buying into the bullshit of the left.




It's also a fact that the U.S. is the third most populous country in the world, and the most populous country not to have strong gun control. It's also a fact that the U.S. has more than 300 million guns. It's also a fact that the U.S. is not at the top of the list when it comes to per capita gun violence.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...ther-countries
From the article you linked

"One more way to consider this data: The IHME also estimates what it would expect a country's rate of gun violence deaths to be based solely on its socioeconomic status. By that measure, the U.S. should only be seeing .79 deaths per 100,000 people ó almost five times less than its actual rate of 3.85 deaths per 100,000."

Admittedly, mass shootings are likely a miniscule portion of this data.
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:05 AM   #40
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As of 2018, the U.S.A. was only at #111 with regards to murder rate per capita, even with all those big scary guns around, and even with all the gang violence. So you people can knock off the virtue signaling bullshit at any time.


https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...y-country.html


But, if you really want to address gun deaths, and are willing to do it without further infringing upon that which shall not be infringed, I'd be happy to talk about solutions to gang violence.

That's where "common sense laws" can be useful.
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:10 AM   #41
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Excellent post!! Rep coming

If I may add, freedom ain't free. It has a price tag. People have to decide which is most important to them, freedom or a false sense of security. That is literally the question when it comes to guns and gun control.
I don't think I understand your point. I think you could also state that our freedom to own guns provides a "false sense of security". This is evidenced by how many guns, and how much gun violence we have in our country.

I would hope that some people smarter than me could sit down in a room together and discuss the issue, without resorting to "take away all the guns" and the other party refusing to consider any increased gun control. I am also probably being to idealistic to think this conversation could occur.
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Old 08-04-2019, 11:15 AM   #42
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As of 2018, the U.S.A. was only at #111 with regards to murder rate per capita, even with all those big scary guns around, and even with all the gang violence. So you people can knock off the virtue signaling bullshit at any time.


https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...y-country.html


But, if you really want to address gun deaths, and are willing to do it without further infringing upon that which shall not be infringed, I'd be happy to talk about solutions to gang violence.

That's where "common sense laws" can be useful.
I would be willing to listen to that conversation as well, and I think it's a great idea. However, did you even look at the list of countries above the USA

As stated in that excellent NPR article that was linked earlier, based on the socio-economic status of United States, our rate of gun violence is expected to be significantly less than it is.
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I don't think I understand your point. I think you could also state that our freedom to own guns provides a "false sense of security". This is evidenced by how many guns, and how much gun violence we have in our country.

I would hope that some people smarter than me could sit down in a room together and discuss the issue, without resorting to "take away all the guns" and the other party refusing to consider any increased gun control. I am also probably being to idealistic to think this conversation could occur.
Look at the past shootings and tell me what laws were broken, what information was ignored, and what laws you feel would have prevented them?

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Look at the past shootings and tell me what laws were broken, what information was ignored, and what laws you feel would have prevented them?

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I have no clue, off-the-cuff most of these guns were obtained legally, I can also think of a few instances where laws that were in place were not executed appropriately

I'm not an expert in gun violence, but I know experts do exist, and I think this country needs a serious conversation about ways to reduce gun violence
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