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Old 08-21-2019, 03:37 PM  
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National Review: Ocasio-Cortez: The Electoral College Is a ‘Scam’

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Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) on Monday called the U.S. Electoral College “a scam” that negatively affects minorities...

...“Due to severe racial disparities in certain states, the Electoral College effectively weighs white voters over voters of color, as opposed to a ‘one person, one vote’ system where all our votes are counted equally,” Ocasio-Cortez said. “Could you imagine if we had this kind of democracy-altering ‘fairness’ provision for literally any other group? If we weighed, for example, black and indigenous voters more because of unfairness?”...
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Old 08-23-2019, 08:20 AM   #76
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She had the right idea, but expressed it poorly. First, the electoral college isn't a "scam". It's outdated, useless, an impediment to democracy, and provides participation trophies for those who couldn't win a truly democratic election, but it's not a scam.

Second, there's no reason to bring race into the discussion. The E.C. gives an inordinate amount of power to rural areas. That should be enough to abolish it, regardless of the color of the people it screws over. Every person's vote should have the same exact weight.
but without the Electoral College, the most populated areas would have all the electoral power; 10% of the nation would control 90% of the power.

The EC makes that a bit more balanced than it would be, otherwise.
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Old 08-23-2019, 08:20 AM   #77
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Do you know the formula for electoral votes? It is equal for the portions based on population rounding up to the next highest electoral vote...

Schools must really really suck now.
They don't teach that on twitter
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Old 08-23-2019, 08:22 AM   #78
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This post is so ignorant. Do you still think we would be a nation if we believed the above... If this ever changes, a civil war will be imminent.
Its always mind blowing to me that liberals think every person should vote and all votes should be equal.

Frankly that's a ****ing insane idea and concept and nobody would run a business, a school, a church or anything else of nay real size with that simple and stupid of a concept.

People only want more people to vote if they believe those people will vote along their same ideals. So it's not that they really want more people to vote, they just want more people to be on their side.


Had Hillary won the election and lost the popular vote does anyone think any discussion about the EC would be occurring? **** no.
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Old 08-23-2019, 08:22 AM   #79
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Do you know the formula for electoral votes? It is equal for the portions based on population rounding up to the next highest electoral vote...

Schools must really really suck now.
That doesn't answer my question, but here you go:

"Electoral votes are allocated among the states based on the Census. Every state is allocated a number of votes equal to the number of senators and representatives in its U.S. Congressional delegation—two votes for its senators in the U.S. Senate plus a number of votes equal to the number of its members in the U. S. House of Representatives. "
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Old 08-23-2019, 08:24 AM   #80
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Its always mind blowing to me that liberals think every person should vote and all votes should be equal.

Frankly that's a ****ing insane idea and concept and nobody would run a business, a school, a church or anything else of nay real size with that simple and stupid of a concept.

People only want more people to vote if they believe those people will vote along their same ideals. So it's not that they really want more people to vote, they just want more people to be on their side.


Had Hillary won the election and lost the popular vote does anyone think any discussion about the EC would be occurring? **** no.
I didn't say a word about the number of voters. I think every vote cast should have the same weight.
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Old 08-23-2019, 08:24 AM   #81
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Can you explain why every vote shouldn't be equal, or does your PMS make it too difficult to concentrate? Take a Midol and chill the **** out.

I shouldn't have to explain that to you but since you asked it kinds of makes my case.
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I didn't say a word about the number of voters. I think every vote cast should have the same weight.
And you are still wrong. The last election is a perfect example.

If you remove NY and California from the votes Trump wins the popular vote.

Why should NY and Cali determine who the POTUS is?
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Old 08-23-2019, 08:26 AM   #83
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That doesn't answer my question, but here you go:

"Electoral votes are allocated among the states based on the Census. Every state is allocated a number of votes equal to the number of senators and representatives in its U.S. Congressional delegation—two votes for its senators in the U.S. Senate plus a number of votes equal to the number of its members in the U. S. House of Representatives. "
As it should be.
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Old 08-23-2019, 08:27 AM   #84
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That doesn't answer my question, but here you go:

"Electoral votes are allocated among the states based on the Census. Every state is allocated a number of votes equal to the number of senators and representatives in its U.S. Congressional delegation—two votes for its senators in the U.S. Senate plus a number of votes equal to the number of its members in the U. S. House of Representatives. "

Correct, So every state gets two Electoral votes automatically. The remaining votes are based on population ratios, which is demonstrated by house seats. Wyoming has 3 votes, 1 for each senator and 1 for it's population. Brilliant, we wouldn't have made it this far as a nation otherwise...
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I didn't say a word about the number of voters. I think every vote cast should have the same weight.
Well, I don't. I think property owning citizens' votes should carry the most weight.
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And you are still wrong. The last election is a perfect example.

If you remove NY and California from the votes Trump wins the popular vote.

Why should NY and Cali determine who the POTUS is?
Correction, If you remove LA County, and the 5 burroughs of New York, Trump wins the popular vote.
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And you are still wrong. The last election is a perfect example.

If you remove NY and California from the votes Trump wins the popular vote.

Why should NY and Cali determine who the POTUS is?
This.
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Correction, If you remove LA County, and the 5 burroughs of New York, Trump wins the popular vote.
And this.
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Correct, So every state gets two Electoral votes automatically. The remaining votes are based on population ratios, which is demonstrated by house seats. Wyoming has 3 votes, 1 for each senator and 1 for it's population. Brilliant, we wouldn't have made it this far as a nation otherwise...
Its kind of simple really, I dont get how people fail to see it.

You do not want to set up a system where 51% of the people can start dictating to the other 49% or it will snowball into a one sided disaster. There is a reason we have had political balance over the centuries.
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I fear that even if the electoral college is kept, it won’t matter. All of these liberals are moving to Texas every year and Beto proves that Texas is a concern. It seems to be turning blue.

Per NPR, San Antonio experienced the largest influx of new residents of any city in the nation between 2016 and 2017. Dallas is one of the top cities too in terms of population growth.

We know what type of people are moving there
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